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  • #16
    Originally posted by shyorphan

    I just can't wrap my head around Bisti lol. Mostly because the poem doesn't lead me there.
    I understand how difficult it can be. In 2016, after Randy Bilyeu’s car was found at the bottom of the hill where I live, I Googled, “Brown, New Mexico.” Google gave me many “hits” for the search string, and I bookmarked a lot of them. Then I began studying them. One of them was, “The Cretaceous Ojo Alamo beds of New Mexico; with description of the new dinosaur genus Kritosaurus.” This was a paleo paper written by Barnum Brown. He found the duck billed dinosaur and excavated it less than 1-mile from Richard Wetherill’s store at the Ojo Alamo Spring in Bisti. Then he named it after himself…..

    I zeroed in on Kritosaurs Navajovious Brown. I found descriptions that included the name of “Brown” in the name of Barnum’s dinosaur. It is really that simple to wrap your mind around how the poem leads to Bisti.

    I have already provided links to documents showing Krito as “Brown.” You can Google it yourself. It wasn’t until later that I drew links that further confirm Forrest’s links to Bisti because of Richard Wetherill, Byron Harvey, the turquoise bracelet, the Navajo Silversmith, and Milay’s “palace in the sand,” that Forrest used to describe where he felt the most comfortable.

    Under another thread titled “Mockery Welcomed,” I drew the conclusion that Bisti is “the home of Brown,” with 100% certainty. It really is that simple….to begin with.

    Anyway, the Brown of poem derived, and BOTG the poem applied to….location. This is simple, simple, and simple….

    But even more simple is what Forrest said to do and that was to focus on “where the first clue is.”
    And yeah, there’s the desert….I’ve already addressed….in “Mockery Welcomed.”

    Remember the sentiment “why didn’t I think of that?” Well, there you go..

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Zapster
      "Tens of thousands of letters from Masqueraders have convinced me that the human mind has an equal capacity for pattern-matching and self-deception. While some addicts were busy cooking the riddle, others were more single-mindedly continuing their own pursuit of the hare quite regardless of the news that it had been found. Their own theories had come to seem so convincing that no exterior evidence could refute them. These most determined of Masqueraders may grudgingly have accepted that a hare of some sort was dug up at Ampthill, but they believed there would be another hare, or a better solution, awaiting them at their favourite spot. Kit would expect them to continue undismayed by the much publicised diversion at Ampthill and would be looking forward to the day when he would greet them as the real discoverers of the real puzzle of Masquerade. Optimistic expeditions were still setting out, with shovels and maps, throughout the summer of 1982."
      History repeating itself, it would appear, because that could be an almost perfect description of what is going on now with a few name and date changes.

      The listed scenarios, however, are far from a complete list.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Alsetenash

        With these type of scenarios , there would need to be a "Trigger" for the ends commencement, as you have noted some potentials for reasons. I think it's important to look at the date of FF's and Dals email exchange about ending the chase in December 7, 2019. Covid was not yet big enough news and he would have to have had thought about planing such sometime even before the email date; that period length of thought time to email we don't know. Covid only started to hit the news in Late December 2019. Not yet big enough to concider calling off the Chase for that. IMO.

        Quoting FF talking to Dal in latest voice clip mock Finder/Solver conversation moment...."Just shut up...just tell me...read me what the poem says and The Game's Over".

        The actual real certified solution is missing from this Chase ending. Not even a meaning of a clue is offered. The real Official Solution to the poem is the big gold nugget worth a penny now, so-to-speak. IMO.

        It could appear to be that no one anywhere as of yet has posted the correct solution: "Tell Me....Read Me What The Poem Says and The Game's Over".

        Games Over?? Is "Read me what the poem says" , mean referring to the lack of "Tittle Of The Poem"?

        What does the poem say? Maybe that's worth more than the shown Chest contents? Maybe there's someone within the circle whom knows what the poem "says" and they are waiting to read it/hear it from someone? Who knows, I dunno. But the current value sought after, is the Real Official Solution to the poem. Not one clue essence meaning has been officially offered.

        IMO.

        Forrest knew who solved it. He referred to him in the find announcement. The perplexing thing is why does Jack exist.? The only logical solution imo is he exists to bury the real solve. Unless there is still proof out there at the real TC spot, the real solve will be lost forever. Is this what Forrest wanted? I can’t imagine Forrest wouldn’t want it to be known but maybe he had other motives. Any/all solutions offered now will be dismissed out of hand without proof imo. In the current post find reality, the solver’s only prize is knowing Forrest’s secret (two can keep a secret) with the family ultimately getting the gold through the fake ending facilitated by Jack.

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        • #19
          "Since FF has passed, there must be at least one person in the circle , undead, that knows what "the poem "says". IMO."

          Undead? And I'm sure there's one person out of the circle, alive, that knows.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by willynilly

            Undead… like… a zombie?!
            I looked it up, undead I mean, I guess it means somewhere in the middle, not dead or alive.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by willynilly

              Oh ok, I was getting ready for the end
              What end?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by DanNun

                Can’t catch me!
                That's because your no fish!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by willynilly

                  Undead… like… a zombie?!
                  Perhaps more like undead, as in "quick."

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Alsetenash

                    "Forrest knew who solved it"-Shyorphan

                    I would have to agree that FF knew who solved it. In that last voice clip FF says, "You don't need to tell me you found the treasure chest, just ..tell me..read me what the poem says ...and that answers all the questions". F Listening to that whole part of him speaking about this is important for context in what he is saying. He's focused on the Solver, asking for the Solver to read him what the poem says. Not Finder because he's asking for the Solution to the poem-Read him what the poem says. Basically, he asking what the 9 clues and the poem "Reads". He's very specific about not needing the Finder to tell him you are Finder, but the Solver of the poem, because that answers all the questions. There's no other 'poem' in the Chest , IMO.

                    Seems FF is talking difectly to, as in as if he was or actually 'was' , to the Solver in this clip; for in as such anticipating the Solver would be listening to it in the future.

                    Theres a lot going on in this recording. Since FF has passed, there must be at least one person in the circle , undead, that knows what "the poem "says". IMO.

                    IMO.

                    Do you know where I can find this clip?


                    thanks!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Alsetenash
                      Thanks!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Alsetenash
                        Forrest's attitude seems to have changed considerably in this interview - or am I over reacting to what he is saying and how he says it????

                        ​​​l

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by wwwamericana

                          Forrest's attitude seems to have changed considerably in this interview - or am I over reacting to what he is saying and how he says it????

                          ​​​l
                          Forrest is upset since he put all that effort into the Chase, but it didnt turn out the way he wanted.
                          "It was a lightning strike moment for me" f.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by wwwamericana

                            Forrest's attitude seems to have changed considerably in this interview - or am I over reacting to what he is saying and how he says it????

                            ​​​l
                            He's so transparent, and will always feel like his favorite color.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by shyorphan
                              There are only 2 plausible scenarios at play with the ending of TToTC (imho) as we are coming up on the 3 yr anniversary of it's ending.

                              Most likely scenario - Forrest ended the chase for personal reasons in 2020 and conceded the TC to his favorite person (Shiloh) who proceeds to retrieve it from it's hidey spot (not 9mh) and uses Jack as his front man for the find. This makes the most sense since I know without a doubt that nobody had come close to solving it (except the LS). The family rallies around the Jack story and everything plays out as expected with lawsuits, Netflix deal, etc. and the family is spared any other disruptions. The downside is the solve/find story is implausible to any deep thinker, so Forrest's legacy takes a beating

                              Least likely scenario - Forrest ended the chase for personal reasons in 2020 with Jack as the "finder" (who is well paid for his role). In the process, he tells his family nothing about the solve or his ultimate plan which is to allow the LS to retrieve the original TC at some future date using the stick-pic as a final clue. This explains the lack of information from Jack and the family for the past 3 years, and why things are still in limbo (although the previous scenario would also explain this). The major problem with this is obviously where did the TC and gold in the find picture come from? Makes the previous scenario more likely.

                              Implausible scenario: Jack is really the finder. No elaboration is needed.
                              I like the least likely scenario. I wonder, in this scenario, is the timeline up to the purported solver, or at a time unknown to him/her?

                              I thought about the first scenario. It seemed like at least a 50-50 deal, but I remembered there’s only a 10 percent chance of that! Ha!

                              Poor solver. Probably out there wearing a soggy sandwich board, or worse yet, teaching some seminar every year about the Chase for $10 a head at the YMCA. He/she will be able to save enough get back BOTG by 2030!

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                              • #30
                                In the least likely scenario, the timeline is up to the alleged solver to put it all together and finally end it.

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