About FennChest.com

[bavetta]

Hey, I read some recent threads and saw people were talking about my website FennChest.com. Cary has been talking about it (lol), and I wanted to clarify that my opinion differs from his in some important ways. He doesn't seem to tolerate other solutions, but I think it's reasonable to have differing opinions. We've hardly been given any official info, and much of the info that we have is through a game of telephone and often still requires people to do their own interpretation - lots of variables.

In my opinion, we got some good evidence from the McCracken court case with Stuef's find photos emailed to Fenn and Jack's emails to Fenn. I also submitted a few FOIAs to the Department of the Interior to get some original info on topics of Fenn, the details of Sarah Davis' schedule, and the Nine Mile Hole discussions. When we got all that info, I was in the Finding Fenn;s Gold Discord, but a lot of that info just got posted to the chat and then lost as it scrolled out of the timeline. I thought it would be a good idea to put up a site with a collection of what I thought were good pieces of evidence of where the chest was found.

The stuff on the site is all "in my opinion," and it's ok if you disagree with it. I'm not one to discount other theories. For example, I think Jack's emails and Reddit posts make it pretty clear that he found the chest in the Fall of 2019, and I think he used a metal detector. Also, it's quite strange that Jack was pushing *hard* for a meeting with Fenn in mid-August 2019; then, from what it looks like to me, he found it right afterward. He had told Fenn in an email that he had done 22 search days, then adding June 5 and 6, which makes 24 -- Jack says he searched 25 -- so did he really find it on the immediate next search day after his potential meeting with Fenn?! Also, to me, the find photos look like they were taken at early dawn, making it even weirder. Did he go out in late August or September and find it immediately, that first day of searching, at daybreak? Something seems weird about that. Also, I'm still suspicious of the location auction site (forrestfenntreasure.com), but I can't find any definitive evidence one way or the other on that. I haven't added any of these kinds of things to the site because it all requires interpretation and I think most people would have differing opinions.

With this website, I'm trying to restrict the content to things that don't require any interpretation. For example, I don't want to go into what the hints were or what the scrapbooks meant - because no one ever agrees on that stuff. I wanted to keep the content restricted to things I think are *closest* to straight facts. I also wanted to avoid putting any original Fenn content on the site to make it more immune from takedown requests - though I think everything on it is clearly covered under fair use anyway.

I can understand how you can disagree with my judgments on the site. And I welcome you to email me if you think I should change or add anything ([email protected]). Really, let me know. I tweak the wording and add new stuff periodically.

I think the fact that the family, Stuef, and even the National Park Service haven't said anything is pretty ridiculous. My FOIA to the NPS about Fenn stuff was nearly completely redacted. I submitted a FOIA request to the FBI for Fenn's file and they gave me an estimated date of completion July 2025! Ugh!

Anyway, I understand why many of your guys have other ideas about where the chest was - this one is just the best *I* can come up with.

I haven't posted to THOR in quite a while, but if you want to read more about my search, some journalist recently talked to me and wrote it into an article for Popular Mechanics. https://www.popularmechanics.com/adv...treasure-hunt/ There's no new info in there, but it tells the story of where I was searching in 2018 (Yellowstone) and 2020 (New Mexico). Kind of fun.

Also, if you have a different explanation for the current state of everything, I recommend creating a website - I felt good for me to get all those ideas down "on paper". I used Google Sites, and it was pretty easy. https://sites.google.com/

[elperro]

Nice to see you back. That being said, I don't fault you, or anyone else who believes in NMH. As they say. . . "You don't know what you don't know." And, I don't know squat either, so we are fellow travelers, in search of truth. That being said, NMH, and your website, is a load of crap, IMO.

[shyorphan]

Nice to see you back. That being said, I don't fault you, or anyone else who believes in NMH. As they say. . . "You don't know what you don't know." And, I don't know squat either, so we are fellow travelers, in search of truth. That being said, NMH, and your website, is a load of crap, IMO.

Tell us what you really think elperro lol. Hang in there a little longer and maybe I can help.

[bdalameda]

If in fact Jack found the chest in 2019 I find it difficult to believe he left it where he found it. Why would he risk someone else finding it before he had a chance to go back and retrieve it, this just does not make sense. I think it is reasonable to consider that the chest was moved to 9MH when it was found in 2019. The Christmas card that Jack sent Forrest may just have been his way of showing Forrest where he placed the chest. The location at 9MH would be a reasonable place for people to go once the word got out and far less destructive than other places in the park for people to visit. I think it is reasonable that Jack and Forrest were even willing to convince the Yellowstone Head Ranger that this is where the chest was located.
The evidence as I read it keeps taking me to the area around the Porcupine Hills on the Firehole River. Just my opinion.

[trueyeti]

Hey, I read some recent threads and saw people were talking about my website FennChest.com. Cary has been talking about it (lol), and I wanted to clarify that my opinion differs from his in some important ways. He doesn't seem to tolerate other solutions, but I think it's reasonable to have differing opinions. We've hardly been given any official info, and much of the info that we have is through a game of telephone and often still requires people to do their own interpretation - lots of variables.

In my opinion, we got some good evidence from the McCracken court case with Stuef's find photos emailed to Fenn and Jack's emails to Fenn. I also submitted a few FOIAs to the Department of the Interior to get some original info on topics of Fenn, the details of Sarah Davis' schedule, and the Nine Mile Hole discussions. When we got all that info, I was in the Finding Fenn;s Gold Discord, but a lot of that info just got posted to the chat and then lost as it scrolled out of the timeline. I thought it would be a good idea to put up a site with a collection of what I thought were good pieces of evidence of where the chest was found.

The stuff on the site is all "in my opinion," and it's ok if you disagree with it. I'm not one to discount other theories. For example, I think Jack's emails and Reddit posts make it pretty clear that he found the chest in the Fall of 2019, and I think he used a metal detector. Also, it's quite strange that Jack was pushing *hard* for a meeting with Fenn in mid-August 2019; then, from what it looks like to me, he found it right afterward. He had told Fenn in an email that he had done 22 search days, then adding June 5 and 6, which makes 24 -- Jack says he searched 25 -- so did he really find it on the immediate next search day after his potential meeting with Fenn?! Also, to me, the find photos look like they were taken at early dawn, making it even weirder. Did he go out in late August or September and find it immediately, that first day of searching, at daybreak? Something seems weird about that. Also, I'm still suspicious of the location auction site (forrestfenntreasure.com), but I can't find any definitive evidence one way or the other on that. I haven't added any of these kinds of things to the site because it all requires interpretation and I think most people would have differing opinions.

With this website, I'm trying to restrict the content to things that don't require any interpretation. For example, I don't want to go into what the hints were or what the scrapbooks meant - because no one ever agrees on that stuff. I wanted to keep the content restricted to things I think are *closest* to straight facts. I also wanted to avoid putting any original Fenn content on the site to make it more immune from takedown requests - though I think everything on it is clearly covered under fair use anyway.

I can understand how you can disagree with my judgments on the site. And I welcome you to email me if you think I should change or add anything ([email protected]). Really, let me know. I tweak the wording and add new stuff periodically.

I think the fact that the family, Stuef, and even the National Park Service haven't said anything is pretty ridiculous. My FOIA to the NPS about Fenn stuff was nearly completely redacted. I submitted a FOIA request to the FBI for Fenn's file and they gave me an estimated date of completion July 2025! Ugh!

Anyway, I understand why many of your guys have other ideas about where the chest was - this one is just the best *I* can come up with.

I haven't posted to THOR in quite a while, but if you want to read more about my search, some journalist recently talked to me and wrote it into an article for Popular Mechanics. https://www.popularmechanics.com/adv...treasure-hunt/ There's no new info in there, but it tells the story of where I was searching in 2018 (Yellowstone) and 2020 (New Mexico). Kind of fun.

Also, if you have a different explanation for the current state of everything, I recommend creating a website - I felt good for me to get all those ideas down "on paper". I used Google Sites, and it was pretty easy. https://sites.google.com/

Thanks..

Despite the trail that you cite with respect to the email history, the YNP Forest Service, the courts, the affidavits etc., al., (post-chest-recovery) there is also something extant that exists and that is the Douglas/Forrest interview on YouTube (2019) where Forrest reiterates, Richard Wetherill, Byron Harvey, the Navajo (Silversmith). After Forrest says these things….Douglas says…that a very important thing was just said…something “new.” (Pre-chest-recovery). That has nothing to do with Wyoming…..

In addition, the Dal email with Forrest’s words…. “I will cause the chase to come to an end…chest photographed in-situ.”

In-situ being the operative word…the smoking gun…meaning; “cause the chase come to an end with the chest pictured where I want it to be…..with the cover story already in-situ, as I want it to be…to back up the cover story.”

All this, all that..... Yeah yeah yeah. The only way to determine the truth is to prove location, and to solve for the 1 blaze out of 10 billion. Doesn’t matter what Forrest said or did post chest recovery…..that stuff is dirty. What is clean, is what was there before the chest’s recovery. Prove the 1 blaze out of 10 Billion, and the 100% proof of location as per Forrest Fenn (pre-chest recovery), “where the first clue is.” Do these....to cut through the subterfuge of Forrest…and for you 9mh believers…..not proving the blaze, or the location....you are doing a disservice to Forrest and this community despite your good intentions. He did all this to ensure his legend/legacy/myth…the why of Why. Lots of reasons why. If you are creative enough to ponder a riddle and come up with a thousand reasons why 9mh, but you are not smart enough to ponder the “whys,” of Forrest’s misdirection…then how smart are you really?

[Livinlifebig]

All the seeds were planted like growing a tree. How could any court dispute Forrest or Jack on where the treasure was found. It was basically follow the leader.
Forrest knew his time was short in this realm, and only one could dispute anything. Forrest had passed and it was a free for all for Jack.

[RFISH]

Thanks..

Despite the trail that you cite with respect to the email history, the YNP Forest Service, the courts, the affidavits etc., al., (post-chest-recovery) there is also something extant that exists and that is the Douglas/Forrest interview on YouTube (2019) where Forrest reiterates, Richard Wetherill, Byron Harvey, the Navajo (Silversmith). After Forrest says these things….Douglas says…that a very important thing was just said…something “new.” (Pre-chest-recovery). That has nothing to do with Wyoming…..

In addition, the Dal email with Forrest’s words…. “I will cause the chase to come to an end…chest photographed in-situ.”

In-situ being the operative word…the smoking gun…meaning; “cause the chase come to an end with the chest pictured where I want it to be…..with the cover story already in-situ, as I want it to be…to back up the cover story.”

All this, all that..... Yeah yeah yeah. The only way to determine the truth is to prove location, and to solve for the 1 blaze out of 10 billion. Doesn’t matter what Forrest said or did post chest recovery…..that stuff is dirty. What is clean, is what was there before the chest’s recovery. Prove the 1 blaze out of 10 Billion, and the 100% proof of location as per Forrest Fenn (pre-chest recovery), “where the first clue is.” Do these....to cut through the subterfuge of Forrest…and for you 9mh believers…..not proving the blaze, or the location....you are doing a disservice to Forrest and this community despite your good intentions. He did all this to ensure his legend/legacy/myth…the why of Why. Lots of reasons why. If you are creative enough to ponder a riddle and come up with a thousand reasons why 9mh, but you are not smart enough to ponder the “whys,” of Forrest’s misdirection…then how smart are you really?

Hey Yeti . You like to ponder.
What do you think about these statistics for trees being the 10 billion blazes

3.04 trillion trees
How Many Trees on Earth? There are an estimated 3.04 trillion trees on the planet. According to research published in the journal Nature, this is the case.

USA	228 Billion

It is not known exactly how many trees are in the Rocky Mountains, but the number is in the millions.

The Salmon thinks trees are not a plausible “blaze”
Except Juniper - for a different reason. The Salmon thinks tarry scant/marvel gaze = gray/owl
Gray Owl Juniper. Cheers

[Gunrunner]

The stuff on the site is all "in my opinion," and it's ok if you disagree with it...

With this website, I'm trying to restrict the content to things that don't require any interpretation...

I can understand how you can disagree with my judgments on the site. And I welcome you to email me if you think I should change or add anything ([email protected]). Really, let me know. I tweak the wording and add new stuff periodically.

Simple mathematics is not a matter of opinion or interpretation. Your scale is wrong. You can't correct it and maintain your present "opinion."

I don't think there's any need in private e-mail exchanges when it's something best addressed out in the open, in front of everybody.

[thehomeofBrown.com]

Gunrunner Yet again you fail to account for the difference in perspective when trying to measure things which exist on different planes in 3D space. You do not understand the underlying math so your measurements and reasoning are hopelessly flawed.

The logs shown are a exact match of the ones in Jack's photos.

[Gunrunner]

Gunrunner Yet again you fail to account for the difference in perspective when trying to measure things which exist on different planes in 3D space. You do not understand the underlying math so your measurements and reasoning are hopelessly flawed.

The logs shown are a exact match of the ones in Jack's photos.

For all your preaching about "the way objects appear in 3D space" you sure don't seem to know much about it, Rudy. In the above picture the top of chest 2 is on the same plane (within 1") as the bottom of your shoe -- the chest is on the ground so the lid is 5" off the ground and your shoe is on (what's left of) a 6" log on the ground. If you want to calculate the difference that 1" will make, go ahead and waste your time. It's not going to shorten your shoe below 20". I've demonstrated these things for you over and over and all you say is "nuh uh." If I'm wrong, them I'm mathematically wrong, and wrong by such a degree that it should be very easy for you and yours to prove it -- with diagrams and numbers -- rather than just making hand-waving denials.

The "difference in perspective" you require at your nook is flatly contradicted by the discovery photos. The logs are different sizes -- by nearly 2" -- and pointing in different directions. And one doesn't have a giant crack running down it. "Exact match"? Let's just say that's how you describe it. As for me, I have enough experience with photos of "objects in 3D space" that I knew as soon as I saw your log it was too little, and I've been saying the same thing ever since, and demonstrating it. You can save the gaslighting for somebody else; it won't work here.

[Mr Eyes]

It's twisted...

[bavetta]

Gunrunner Yet again you fail to account for the difference in perspective when trying to measure things which exist on different planes in 3D space. You do not understand the underlying math so your measurements and reasoning are hopelessly flawed.

The logs shown are a exact match of the ones in Jack's photos.

I didn't measure anything in making that image. I was just using it as a way for people to understand the two photo perspectives.

Even though your feet and the ground are on different planes, the size differences should be less when looking at things from a distance. I'll take another stab at this with sizes in mind.

I think the best way to resolve all this is for the next person who goes out there to take some measurements. Only a section of the chest log was taken, so you can get the circumference of the log above and below that section.

This way we can definitively find (imo) that the log and chest sizes do match, and also that Rudy must actually have enormous feet that he doesn't want to tell us about.

[kpro]

Your website is amazing.

I know someone who will be there next month, I will ask them to take a measurement of the log.

[Knowledge]

For all your preaching about "the way objects appear in 3D space" you sure don't seem to know much about it, Rudy. In the above picture the top of chest 2 is on the same plane (within 1") as the bottom of your shoe -- the chest is on the ground so the lid is 5" off the ground and your shoe is on (what's left of) a 6" log on the ground. If you want to calculate the difference that 1" will make, go ahead and waste your time. It's not going to shorten your shoe below 20". I've demonstrated these things for you over and over and all you say is "nuh uh." If I'm wrong, them I'm mathematically wrong, and wrong by such a degree that it should be very easy for you and yours to prove it -- with diagrams and numbers -- rather than just making hand-waving denials.

The "difference in perspective" you require at your nook is flatly contradicted by the discovery photos. The logs are different sizes -- by nearly 2" -- and pointing in different directions. And one doesn't have a giant crack running down it. "Exact match"? Let's just say that's how you describe it. As for me, I have enough experience with photos of "objects in 3D space" that I knew as soon as I saw your log it was too little, and I've been saying the same thing ever since, and demonstrating it. You can save the gaslighting for somebody else; it won't work here.

It is all about making people believe the lie, and soon they will be handing out bells to all the fake searchers. You know the ones who go into Youtube chat and pretend to be a finder for hours.
Or somehow find a twig three years after the find. Or even better try to make Jack the truth-teller and Forrest Fenn the man who cheats and lies. Then they promote themselves as they sit in their bedroom with a fake chest, reciting the poem and the lies over and over. It is a snow job put on anyone and everyone who worked their butt off in TTOTC. The truth is what f deserves but some want to pretend the real location might be harmed. It was not about them getting the chest without solving the poem, it was about saving a place no one can get to. When lies become truth you are only fooling yourself.

[Knowledge]

I am sorry many searches do not have the ability to understand what Forrest did. I do know the chest was placed on a small island on the Laramie River by Forrest Fenn. He confirmed to me before he passed more than once that the location was near Jelm Mt Woods landing. The land was bought in Santa Fe in 1999 small world hey. I know also the chest was found without solving the poem and as everyone knows Jack never said he solved a thing. He even made sure to misspell his name just in case on the map.