Forrest Fenn Loved the Nine Mile Hole

[Cary_Galloway]

I think FF would just shake his head seeing all you 9mh haters.

"The Nine Mile Hole has always been my favorite." -f

"There was a tall pine tree that grew right in the middle of my back cast at the Nine Mile Hole. ... And I keep the small twigs from that old tree in my bathroom drawer as reminders of some of the best days of my life." -f

"my reverential thoughts still harken back to that place(9mh)." -f

"I still go out to the sand bar and then up to the rock(at 9mh). It's a religious experience." -f

"I caught the largest trout I ever saw come out of that hole(9mh), a twenty- six inch Brown. Measured!!!!!" -f
(notice the capital letter B)

"my spirit will be there.(9mh)" -f

"And when my tackle box is closed at last, and the Cadis hatch is gone, I will rest through all of time and space, pillowed down and scented in, and with a smile that comes from remembering the special things that brought me to that final place," -f

His final place ends at a fishing spot. I wonder what fishing spot that would be? The Nine Mile Hole.

[Knowledge]

I think FF would just shake his head seeing all you 9mh haters.

"The Nine Mile Hole has always been my favorite." -f

"There was a tall pine tree that grew right in the middle of my back cast at the Nine Mile Hole. ... And I keep the small twigs from that old tree in my bathroom drawer as reminders of some of the best days of my life." -f

""my reverential thoughts still harken back to that place(9mh)." -f

"I still go out to the sand bar and then up to the rock(at 9mh). It's a religious experience." -f

"I caught the largest trout I ever saw come out of that hole, a twenty- six inch Brown. Measured!!!!!" -f
(notice the capital letter B)

"my spirit will be there.(9mh)" -f

What you fail to understand is there are people who know the real location. Most also know the reason for Nine Mile. F said he would never write it down, he also told searchers to search around Nine Mile for arrowheads. He said only two people came within 200 feet of the chest, and only around 500 in 8 years. He also said many arrived at WWWH and did not understand it was wwwh. Most who searched Yellowstone had the junction as wwwh. He gave the fishing logs to Dal that spoke of Nine Mile which would have helped narrow the search if the chest was there. Just like so many you are deciding when f lied and when he told the truth. When he was a man of his word, or lying through his teeth. How do you have the ability to know when f told the truth and when he lied?

[Knowledge]

I think FF would just shake his head seeing all you 9mh haters.

"The Nine Mile Hole has always been my favorite." -f

"There was a tall pine tree that grew right in the middle of my back cast at the Nine Mile Hole. ... And I keep the small twigs from that old tree in my bathroom drawer as reminders of some of the best days of my life." -f

""my reverential thoughts still harken back to that place(9mh)." -f

"I still go out to the sand bar and then up to the rock(at 9mh). It's a religious experience." -f

"I caught the largest trout I ever saw come out of that hole, a twenty- six inch Brown. Measured!!!!!" -f
(notice the capital letter B)

"my spirit will be there.(9mh)" -f

"And when my tackle box is closed at last, and the Cadis hatch is gone, I will rest through all of time and space, pillowed down and scented in, and with a smile that comes from remembering the special things that brought me to that final place," -f

His final place ends at a fishing spot. I wonder what fishing spot that would be? The Nine Mile Hole.

Did you ever think you might not have the capacity to understand what f did, so something like Nine Mile was right up your alley? I bet you never found time to even look at other things, that some have tried to guide you to. Even people under NDA have made an effort to correct your whim.

[Livinlifebig]

I think FF would just shake his head seeing all you 9mh haters.

"The Nine Mile Hole has always been my favorite." -f

"There was a tall pine tree that grew right in the middle of my back cast at the Nine Mile Hole. ... And I keep the small twigs from that old tree in my bathroom drawer as reminders of some of the best days of my life." -f

""my reverential thoughts still harken back to that place(9mh)." -f

"I still go out to the sand bar and then up to the rock(at 9mh). It's a religious experience." -f

"I caught the largest trout I ever saw come out of that hole, a twenty- six inch Brown. Measured!!!!!" -f
(notice the capital letter B)

"my spirit will be there.(9mh)" -f

"And when my tackle box is closed at last, and the Cadis hatch is gone, I will rest through all of time and space, pillowed down and scented in, and with a smile that comes from remembering the special things that brought me to that final place," -f

His final place ends at a fishing spot. I wonder what fishing spot that would be? The Nine Mile Hole.

If any of these were released after his death, we know why.

[trueyeti]

IMO, the older you get, the more experiences you have to reflect upon. I recall that after he got shot down...in the jungle...heart pounding....his mind took him back to catching blue-gills. That calmed him in a horrible situation.

IMO, it is through Forrest's looking glass that we see everything that you bring up. He let us into his world. It is great....wonderful. I saw in another thread that a couple of commenters had put up images of their children. Fond are the memories.....and like the river, the stream of our consciousness is like the flowing of memories and experiences.... a fond collections of images....a collage.......and there is a song written about that experience....Row, Row, Row your boat....Gently down the stream.....life.....is but a dream.

Looking through the collage of Forrest's memories is like looking through the kaleidoscope of his looking glass. The eyes....are the windows of the soul. These things you bring up are valid...and not to be taken lightly, however, that said mate..... 9MH......and the question of his words do come into mind...or view.....into the eye...into the mind.....the window..... Forrest said "where the first clue is," to discern that there is a difference between location and WWWh. Despite these wonderful musings that you bring.....location is not proved for 9MH. But that's okay....because that is the place that his loved memories dwelt. But.....Forrest used Milay's quote about "palace in the sand," to describe the place where he felt the most comfortable. Loved versus comfortable. Word play buried, covered over.....subversion of meaning.....is love and comfort the same? How are they the same, how are they different? Could they mean the same thing and be different at the same time?

Look mate....there is a difference between where one feels the most comfortable and the place where one's spirit dwells because of the "loved memories." Remember too that he said that his heart dwelt in New Mexico as well. Sentimental Semantical trickster playing on words and meaning.....Forrest.....what did he say about himself....something about dastardly, atrocious, or, was the word....diabolical? The whole thing is playing on our heartstrings and our mood swings....our understandings and what we opine. With his looking glass applied. A kaleidoscope image is all about distortion....is it a metaphor for Forrest's methods? It could be....I mean how creative are you.....imagination of a 13-year old.....

I hear everything you are saying here. That 9MH...has sentimental value for Forrest is not lost on me......but that does not make the treasure chest go.....there.....necessarily. Proof of location is where we must reside despite our sentimentalities mixed up with Forrest's. Sure, indecision is the key to flexibility, but once you have fulfilled the mantra of "show me your evidence, where is your proof" (Forrest said something like this), then you can begin to move away from subjectivity (sentimentality), and move toward objectivity (what is). Fine points your bring mate.....fine points....I hear you. Now I'm getting sentimental too...hahaha...Ps...that's "Mr. Lunatic" to you.....hahahahaha

[Spoon]

I think FF would just shake his head seeing all you 9mh haters.

"The Nine Mile Hole has always been my favorite." -f

"There was a tall pine tree that grew right in the middle of my back cast at the Nine Mile Hole. ... And I keep the small twigs from that old tree in my bathroom drawer as reminders of some of the best days of my life." -f

""my reverential thoughts still harken back to that place(9mh)." -f

"I still go out to the sand bar and then up to the rock(at 9mh). It's a religious experience." -f

"I caught the largest trout I ever saw come out of that hole, a twenty- six inch Brown. Measured!!!!!" -f
(notice the capital letter B)

"my spirit will be there.(9mh)" -f

"And when my tackle box is closed at last, and the Cadis hatch is gone, I will rest through all of time and space, pillowed down and scented in, and with a smile that comes from remembering the special things that brought me to that final place," -f

His final place ends at a fishing spot. I wonder what fishing spot that would be? The Nine Mile Hole.

You are taking things from the book that have absolutely nothing to do with Nine Mile Hole, IMO.

[FennPoint]

What in 9MH matches any two contiguous clues? Have so many given up on the nine clues? SMH…..

[trueyeti]

[QUOTE=JacksBeer88W;n511856][QUOTE=trueyetie.......and there is a song written about that experience....Row, Row, Row your boat....Gently down the stream.....life.....is but a dream.

A version I learned:
Row, Row, Row your boat... Gently down the stream... If you see a crocodile... Don't forget to scream![/QUOTE]

And with that, you bring us all back to Forrest's alligator. A "chiral". And now shook up....the kaleidoscope provides a new and different view. IMO, the scream (from seeing the crocodile)...is like the opposite/antithesis of the "happiness is the pot." IMO, you can't have the one without the other. And what is the chiral, but the opposite side of the coin, the yin and yang, the black and the white, the day and the night, the terror and delight? And the kaleidoscope view changes. Maybe it has something to do with transformation and how you see things. Then there's the T.S. Elliot quote too. Are we two, in a zoo, transformed by the journey too.....and the chase for quarry? That bit about the crocodile in the song....IMO, there is power in that kaleidoscopic view too, truth and beauty...and so scary too! hahahaha

[Gunrunner]

I think FF would just shake his head seeing all you 9mh haters.

I don't think anyone really hates Nine Mile Hole. I hear it's a pretty good fishing spot. No doubt Forrest loved the place. It's just that awful solve the 9MHers have come up with that is so offensive. You yourself have described it as low mental effort (except you were talking about Forrest as if he was the one who had come up with that pablum). I feel sure Forrest would join me in shaking his head at your evaluation of him.

And note well: There is a big difference between saying Rudy's log is not Jack's log and saying the treasure was never at Nine Mile Hole. Be sure not to conflate the two arguments.

As to your selected quotes: you seem to have overlooked the key phrase -- the phrase that actually puts a point on the map for you.

https://www.hintofriches.com/forum/the-hint-of-riches/501523-salute-to-the-warriors-forrest-s-final-flight-of-fancy

[fallingrock]

I think FF would just shake his head seeing all you 9mh haters.

"The Nine Mile Hole has always been my favorite." -f

"There was a tall pine tree that grew right in the middle of my back cast at the Nine Mile Hole. ... And I keep the small twigs from that old tree in my bathroom drawer as reminders of some of the best days of my life." -f

"my reverential thoughts still harken back to that place(9mh)." -f

"I still go out to the sand bar and then up to the rock(at 9mh). It's a religious experience." -f

"I caught the largest trout I ever saw come out of that hole(9mh), a twenty- six inch Brown. Measured!!!!!" -f
(notice the capital letter B)

"my spirit will be there.(9mh)" -f

"And when my tackle box is closed at last, and the Cadis hatch is gone, I will rest through all of time and space, pillowed down and scented in, and with a smile that comes from remembering the special things that brought me to that final place," -f

His final place ends at a fishing spot. I wonder what fishing spot that would be? The Nine Mile Hole.

Have you ever had your boots on the ground?

[Cary_Galloway]

I don't think anyone really hates Nine Mile Hole. I hear it's a pretty good fishing spot. No doubt Forrest loved the place. It's just that awful solve the 9MHers have come up with that is so offensive. You yourself have described it as low mental effort (except you were talking about Forrest as if he was the one who had come up with that pablum). I feel sure Forrest would join me in shaking his head at your evaluation of him.

And note well: There is a big difference between saying Rudy's log is not Jack's log and saying the treasure was never at Nine Mile Hole. Be sure not to conflate the two arguments.

As to your selected quotes: you seem to have overlooked the key phrase -- the phrase that actually puts a point on the map for you.

https://www.hintofriches.com/forum/the-hint-of-riches/501523-salute-to-the-warriors-forrest-s-final-flight-of-fancy

wow that's a really bad solve.

And there is zero evidence the chest was ever in Glacier, Montana.

[Cary_Galloway]

You are taking things from the book that have absolutely nothing to do with Nine Mile Hole, IMO.

Every one of those quotes where i indicate 9mh or FF explicitly says nine mile hole are directly referencing the nine mile hole.

And they aren't from the book they are from FF's bio.

[Gunrunner]

wow that's a really bad solve.

And there is zero evidence the chest was ever in Glacier, Montana.

I hope you're familiar enough with Forrest Fenn's treasure hunt to realize that's not a solve. That's just a line of "subtle hints" that ought to give you a clue; a line on the map that you can't cover up and that you can't explain, just like you can't explain why a line drawn from Forrest's house to my treasure location in Glacier goes right over Nine Mile Hole. Yeah. Forrest loved Nine Mile Hole, all right, but we're getting into actual statistics here, and this line across the country pointing to northwest Montana is just the beginning. You know what I mean? It's kind of like Mark Twain said, "There's lies, damned lies, and autobiographies."

Forrest left the last few bits anyone could ever ask for in "Ramblings and Rumblings." He fully intended his work to be known, with or without the sanction of anybody.

[Hear me all]

F did love 9MH but if you ever owned TTOTC and read it, you would know that f said he was IN LOVE WITH YELLOWSTONE. Even for those challenged by math, they can correctly deduce that the allotment of Yellowstone is more acreage than say little ole 9MH that wasn't mentioned as often as other haunts in Yellowstone.

F's comments over the years are grossly at odds. I could spend 3 years showing you how but I have better things to do. The biggest reason 9MH doesn't work is because you can't even force the poem to fit that area when using logic or imagination. A quick example is WWWH. F said it was golden clue and if you found that it would be game over. Using logic, nothing halts in that area. Using imagination, nothing halts. Things halt where there is a barrier. A dam, border, wall, fence, a stop light, door or threshold.

Not sure if you just got tired of the challenge or just like cheesy ideas slopped together in a bucket in hopes that you might get a pass. F wasn't an elaborate genius but he did require you use some basic thinking to arrive on his threshold to collect the prize.

F kept saying the blaze marked the spot very well but those who followed Rudy into the thicket of logs had nothing obvious or standing out that was likely to last especially with the fires that ravage the wilderness.

It's not too late to cross the fence and come back to right side. You might get tangled in the bobbed wire of searchers who won't leave 9MH but it will feel so refreshing and you won't get stranded and have to call the Yellowstone patrol to rescue like the others when they can't navigate the waters or snow in certain seasons. I don't think I need to remind you that an ancient man walked to the spot and openly carried treasure in has hands. He didn't say he held on to a staff for balance or waded. He told us it was not difficult. I challenge any searcher who reaches 79 and still can't comprehend, to navigate the river in any weather.

[Cary_Galloway]

I hope you're familiar enough with Forrest Fenn's treasure hunt to realize that's not a solve. That's just a line of "subtle hints" that ought to give you a clue; a line on the map that you can't cover up and that you can't explain, just like you can't explain why a line drawn from Forrest's house to my treasure location in Glacier goes right over Nine Mile Hole. Yeah. Forrest loved Nine Mile Hole, all right, but we're getting into actual statistics here, and this line across the country pointing to northwest Montana is just the beginning. You know what I mean? It's kind of like Mark Twain said, "There's lies, damned lies, and autobiographies."

Forrest left the last few bits anyone could ever ask for in "Ramblings and Rumblings." He fully intended his work to be known, with or without the sanction of anybody.

So in your crazy head, Forrest Fenn is going to write about how much he loved the Nine Mile Hole in his bio just to lie so only you would understand his favorite place was really in Glacier, Montana?
Give me a break.