200ft vs 500ft

[Rose Livingstone]

you guys have been here for YEARS and you can't even agree on the very first clue!

This Chase is a consensus now? Where do I place my ballot? Can I vote absentee, cuz I’m hecka far from NMH, and only nominally closer to the correct location

[RahRah]

In all this time, I know as much about your solution as I do RahRah ’s. You both say I’ll ‘know what you know’ when I ‘see what you see’ in the most arcane, crypto roundabout nothingness snake oil ways possible; though neither wants to actually say anything potentially Helpful or Informative as to your above-top-secret-secret-solve location(s).
No worries. Most on here are trying to defend their solves. I’m just defending your right(s) to Have a solve whether you actually say something useful about it or not. What do I know? Also, you’re right. ‘we all’ know who ‘they’ are. Those number known people.

I have posted numerous things to work with, literal nuggets of how to work with the clues in the poem - if you don't recognize them, that's not my problem.

[Vertigo]

I posted it here last summer, but it'll be faster for me to repost the annotated image than find my original post:


The red arrow would be the direction of north if the chest had been butted up against the infamous log at Rudy's location. (I've added some overly generous orange error bars to indicate the uncertainty of the exact direction the log is pointed combined with any small angular misalignment that might have existed between the log and the back of the chest.)

The green vector shows the corresponding direction of the sun at Rudy's location on the morning of June 5th, 2020 at 7:45 am MDT -- again under the assumption that the chest was butted up against that log. As with the uncertainty in the direction of true north, I've indicated the same uncertainty in the direction of azimuth 87.

You might ask, "Why 7:45am? That seems awfully specific, particularly when we don't know the time of day the picture was taken." The answer is that from the shadows (particularly the one on the inside back right corner of the chest), I approximated that the sun was 30 degrees above the horizon, and determined the time in the morning that the sun reached that elevation. Could have been a little earlier, but not by much since otherwise the shadows would be longer and/or the sun would be blocked by the mountains to the east-northeast. It could have been later, but that just makes the photographic mismatch even worse as it would rotate the green vector further clockwise.

Finally, the yellow vector points to where I estimate the actual sun was located at the time of the shot based on the shadows on the left side of the coins and the shadow cast by the right side of the treasure chest. That location is a good 60 degrees away from where the sun should have been if the chest was at Rudy's log. (It's also an impossible direction for the sun even at sunrise on the summer solstice at the latitude of 9MH.

The only way Rudy's log location could be made to work is if the chest had been removed from its hole, rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise, and then placed back in the hole and photographed. But in that case, you wouldn't be able to open the lid: the log above would prevent that. In fact, that's the reason the chest lid wasn't opened all the way up for the picture: the top of the chest is hitting the log, preventing it from being opened any further.

What is the significance of this? You assumed the orientation of the chest in the photo. If your analysis is valid, that just indicates that your starting assumption was incorrect. It does not indicate that the photo was taken somewhere other than 9MH.

At the same time, there are 4 other photos from Jack, all of which contain matching features that have been found at the 9MH spot. Are you suggesting that the 5th photo was taken at a different spot than all the others? That would be quite strange.

[Livinlifebig]

What is the significance of this? You assumed the orientation of the chest in the photo. If your analysis is valid, that just indicates that your starting assumption was incorrect. It does not indicate that the photo was taken somewhere other than 9MH.

At the same time, there are 4 other photos from Jack, all of which contain matching features that have been found at the 9MH spot. Are you suggesting that the 5th photo was taken at a different spot than all the others? That would be quite strange.

It was staged, that's why it took 10 days to get the pictures.

[Gunrunner]

What is the significance of this? You assumed the orientation of the chest in the photo. If your analysis is valid, that just indicates that your starting assumption was incorrect. It does not indicate that the photo was taken somewhere other than 9MH.

At the same time, there are 4 other photos from Jack, all of which contain matching features that have been found at the 9MH spot. Are you suggesting that the 5th photo was taken at a different spot than all the others? That would be quite strange.

This betrays a strange lack of familiarity with both the site you are trying to promote and the arguments that have been made against it. The orientation of Rudy's "nook" is not an assumption.

https://www.hintofriches.com/forum/the-hint-of-riches/415164-where-the-sun-don-t-shine-that-way?p=415517#post415517

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Hi Rose Livingstone
RahRah said it for me ,if you can’t recognize what is in front of you ,I could help you by giving you all the answers but what’s the fun in that. What I am willing to give you is this, in the park starts the right canyon down ,the end of this canyon is not in the park the clues home of Brown and the rest of the clues if you can recognize them.Oh yah if you find this canyon you was a 500fter. I gave you a lot that I had to figure out on my own think your way through. The pictures below will help if you can figure it out.The picture in the middle is where the chest was.Clint

[Gunrunner]

Hi Rose Livingstone
RahRah said it for me ,if you can’t recognize what is in front of you ,I could help you by giving you all the answers but what’s the fun in that. What I am willing to give you is this, in the park starts the right canyon down ,the end of this canyon is not in the park the clues home of Brown and the rest of the clues if you can recognize them.Oh yah if you find this canyon you was a 500fter. I gave you a lot that I had to figure out on my own think your way through. The pictures below will help if you can figure it out.The picture in the middle is where the chest was.Clint

Thank you for posting these photos. I don't have TFTW and I've looked back for these pictures from time to time... think I'll save them this time. Would it be too much trouble for you to show a pic of the rest of the story?

[Rose Livingstone]

Hi Rose Livingstone
RahRah said it for me ,if you can’t recognize what is in front of you ,I could help you by giving you all the answers but what’s the fun in that. What I am willing to give you is this, in the park starts the right canyon down ,the end of this canyon is not in the park the clues home of Brown and the rest of the clues if you can recognize them.Oh yah if you find this canyon you was a 500fter. I gave you a lot that I had to figure out on my own think your way through. The pictures below will help if you can figure it out.The picture in the middle is where the chest was.Clint

I have my own solve though I haven’t posted it yet, nor seen anything close online. I’ve read the books and the scrapbooks and seen the interviews etc. Simply repeating information that’s already out there is not hinting at nuggets or whatever- it’s just making a list of the information you found helpful in your solve. Nothing wrong with that, not everyone wants to post on their solve, I just enjoy reading other people’s solves and interesting thoughts that people Are willing to share even if Chase tangent. If y’all wanna keep everything to yourselves, that’s fine, but that’s exactly what it is and I call it like I see it. It’s cool to me to figure out How people think and various solves are a good way to do that. But simply listing which pieces of public info you used isn’t enough to gain insight into Anything really, just as repeating a F quote in italics doesn’t alter its original words. It tells me You found that quote interesting, but no information on why.
If I was smart enough to read minds I’d probably be trying to prevent war or something. Instead my hobbies are learning about rabbit holes and putting together psychology puzzles which keeps me half sane most days. (shrug). You do you.

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Rose Livingstone
you can lead a horse to water but can’t make you see what’s in front of you. If you look at the bottom of page 100 TFTW you will see a boot and part of a leg,Forrest said he would throw or fling himself on the chest at the book signing. Middle picture in above post. You’re welcome. Clint

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Gunrunner Hi
Here is the rest of the story . Clint

[Gunrunner]

Gunrunner Hi
Here is the rest of the story . Clint

Hi! Thanks!

[CRM114]

What is the significance of this? You assumed the orientation of the chest in the photo. If your analysis is valid, that just indicates that your starting assumption was incorrect. It does not indicate that the photo was taken somewhere other than 9MH.

At the same time, there are 4 other photos from Jack, all of which contain matching features that have been found at the 9MH spot. Are you suggesting that the 5th photo was taken at a different spot than all the others? That would be quite strange.

It's very simple, and you are almost grasping it.

The starting assumption is the orientation of the chest, indeed. This starting assumption comes from people who claim a certain log in NMH is the log in the photos. This log is visible on Google Earth, and thus the orientation is known to within a few degrees. Thus the chest orientation is known from the photos, if this is the right log.

The sun analysis shows that at that orientation, the sun will not create those shadows in the photos at the time of the find. Other sun direction analyses have proven it doesn't matter when (day or time of year) the chest was found, the sun can't produce those shadows in that orientation.

Thus, indeed, the starting assumption is wrong, and this is not the log, or something else is wrong. No one is saying this particular analysis proves it wasn't at 9mh, just that the log orientation does not match. Spoiler: No log oriented N-S in Wyoming can be "the log" regardless of the location.

Thus the cited "proof" of NMH goes "poof".

[Livinlifebig]

It's very simple, and you are almost grasping it.

The starting assumption is the orientation of the chest, indeed. This starting assumption comes from people who claim a certain log in NMH is the log in the photos. This log is visible on Google Earth, and thus the orientation is known to within a few degrees. Thus the chest orientation is known from the photos, if this is the right log.

The sun analysis shows that at that orientation, the sun will not create those shadows in the photos at the time of the find. Other sun direction analyses have proven it doesn't matter when (day or time of year) the chest was found, the sun can't produce those shadows in that orientation.

Thus, indeed, the starting assumption is wrong, and this is not the log, or something else is wrong. No one is saying this particular analysis proves it wasn't at 9mh, just that the log orientation does not match. Spoiler: No log oriented N-S in Wyoming can be "the log" regardless of the location.

Thus the cited "proof" of NMH goes "poof".

Would a W-SW/E-NE log orientation fit the shadows?

[CRM114]

Would a W-SW/E-NE log orientation fit the shadows?

Certainly, depending on when you think the photos with shadows were taken. As I recall, that orientation works perfectly for a morning photo on June 5th (or really any day in summer), but specifically sometime in morning.

Edit: The above applies only if the chest is on the south side of the log! If it's on the north side, then it's the afternoon!

[CRM114]

One more clarification to the above before anyone corrects it. A N-S oriented log probably works for some time of year at some times of the day if the chest was on the west side of the log. Nobody has analyzed that, but it should be much easier to make work since shadows would be cast from a sun to the south.

The NMH log theory that has been put forth here on this forum claims the chest was on the east side of the N-S log, which is one orientation that does not work anywhere in Wyoming at any time of year or any hour.