200ft vs 500ft

[Zapster]

This I gotta see. C'mon Zapster, do it.

I posted it here last summer, but it'll be faster for me to repost the annotated image than find my original post:


The red arrow would be the direction of north if the chest had been butted up against the infamous log at Rudy's location. (I've added some overly generous orange error bars to indicate the uncertainty of the exact direction the log is pointed combined with any small angular misalignment that might have existed between the log and the back of the chest.)

The green vector shows the corresponding direction of the sun at Rudy's location on the morning of June 5th, 2020 at 7:45 am MDT -- again under the assumption that the chest was butted up against that log. As with the uncertainty in the direction of true north, I've indicated the same uncertainty in the direction of azimuth 87.

You might ask, "Why 7:45am? That seems awfully specific, particularly when we don't know the time of day the picture was taken." The answer is that from the shadows (particularly the one on the inside back right corner of the chest), I approximated that the sun was 30 degrees above the horizon, and determined the time in the morning that the sun reached that elevation. Could have been a little earlier, but not by much since otherwise the shadows would be longer and/or the sun would be blocked by the mountains to the east-northeast. It could have been later, but that just makes the photographic mismatch even worse as it would rotate the green vector further clockwise.

Finally, the yellow vector points to where I estimate the actual sun was located at the time of the shot based on the shadows on the left side of the coins and the shadow cast by the right side of the treasure chest. That location is a good 60 degrees away from where the sun should have been if the chest was at Rudy's log. (It's also an impossible direction for the sun even at sunrise on the summer solstice at the latitude of 9MH.

The only way Rudy's log location could be made to work is if the chest had been removed from its hole, rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise, and then placed back in the hole and photographed. But in that case, you wouldn't be able to open the lid: the log above would prevent that. In fact, that's the reason the chest lid wasn't opened all the way up for the picture: the top of the chest is hitting the log, preventing it from being opened any further.

[crow]

I posted it here last summer, but it'll be faster for me to repost the annotated image than find my original post:


The red arrow would be the direction of north if the chest had been butted up against the infamous log at Rudy's location. (I've added some overly generous orange error bars to indicate the uncertainty of the exact direction the log is pointed combined with any small angular misalignment that might have existed between the log and the back of the chest.)

The green vector shows the corresponding direction of the sun at Rudy's location on the morning of June 5th, 2020 at 7:45 am MDT -- again under the assumption that the chest was butted up against that log. As with the uncertainty in the direction of true north, I've indicated the same uncertainty in the direction of azimuth 87.

You might ask, "Why 7:45am? That seems awfully specific, particularly when we don't know the time of day the picture was taken." The answer is that from the shadows (particularly the one on the inside back right corner of the chest), I approximated that the sun was 30 degrees above the horizon, and determined the time in the morning that the sun reached that elevation. Could have been a little earlier, but not by much since otherwise the shadows would be longer and/or the sun would be blocked by the mountains to the east-northeast. It could have been later, but that just makes the photographic mismatch even worse as it would rotate the green vector further clockwise.

Finally, the yellow vector points to where I estimate the actual sun was located at the time of the shot based on the shadows on the left side of the coins and the shadow cast by the right side of the treasure chest. That location is a good 60 degrees away from where the sun should have been if the chest was at Rudy's log. (It's also an impossible direction for the sun even at sunrise on the summer solstice at the latitude of 9MH.

The only way Rudy's log location could be made to work is if the chest had been removed from its hole, rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise, and then placed back in the hole and photographed. But in that case, you wouldn't be able to open the lid: the log above would prevent that. In fact, that's the reason the chest lid wasn't opened all the way up for the picture: the top of the chest is hitting the log, preventing it from being opened any further.

Thank you. Ok Cary_Galloway it's your turn.

[Cary_Galloway]

I'm not sure exactly what his problem is with the lighting of the chest.

I do agree the sun is coming from the east and the photo was taken in the morning.

[locolobo]

I'm not sure exactly what his problem is with the lighting of the chest.

I do agree the sun is coming from the east and the photo was taken in the morning.

Post your diagram and I'll be happy to tear it apart.

Way to go CG!!! That's really "tearing it apart"!!! LOL!

[Cary_Galloway]

Way to go CG!!! That's really "tearing it apart"!!! LOL!

the Yellow Sun arrow is totally wrong. I'm not sure where he's getting that from.

So is that tearing it apart enough for you?

[locolobo]

the Yellow Sun arrow is totally wrong. I'm not sure where he's getting that from.

So is that tearing it apart enough for you?

Ummm, nope. Zap has detailed everything for you.
The only thing he hasn't done is:
Take you there by the hand, set down a replica chest next to the log oriented the same as in the pics and let you observe the shadow as the Sun passes over!

Face the facts bro, you waaay outta ur league on this!!

loco

[Cary_Galloway]

Ummm, nope. Zap has detailed everything for you.
The only thing he hasn't done is:
Take you there by the hand, set down a replica chest next to the log oriented the same as in the pics and let you observe the shadow as the Sun passes over!

Face the facts bro, you waaay outta ur league on this!!

loco

I think the lighting and shadows are very consistent with the area.
Here is a video of the spot in July.

[crow]

the Yellow Sun arrow is totally wrong. I'm not sure where he's getting that from.

So is that tearing it apart enough for you?

Try this site - https://www.suncalc.org. This may help you or it may hurt your argument.

I personally don't believe 9MH is the correct location.
I don't believe it was moved.
I don't believe it's still out there.
I don''t believe it was pulled to end the hunt.

[Cary_Galloway]

Try this site - https://www.suncalc.org. This may help you or it may hurt your argument.

I personally don't believe 9MH is the correct location.
I don't believe it was moved.
I don't believe it's still out there.
I don''t believe it was pulled to end the hunt.

Do you believe it was found within 50 miles of West Yellowstone?
Do you believe it was found in Wyoming?
Do you believe it was found in Yellowstone?
Do you believe Jack found the chest?

[Hear me all]

I think the lighting and shadows are very consistent with the area.
Here is a video of the spot in July.

Cary you have failed to identify any clue. You are bareback riding Rudy and his posse. Their ideas are as poor as the CO and NM searchers ideas. Surely you want evidence beyond BS thoughts that aren't foot by foot and counter the poem and every f comment then keep on trucking. Maybe you want to impress your kids so bought into the hideous spaghetti monster theory.

A line has been drawn in the sand so to speak. You can either stand firm at 9MH or you can consider the possibilities. The challenge presented by f and where searchers stand will have long standing implications. Choose wisely.

To date Pennywise has more on you than you want to admit.

[Cary_Galloway]

Cary you have failed to identify any clue. You are bareback riding Rudy and his posse. Their ideas are as poor as the CO and NM searchers ideas. Surely you want evidence beyond BS thoughts that aren't foot by foot and counter the poem and every f comment then keep on trucking. Maybe you want to impress your kids so bought into the hideous spaghetti monster theory.

A line has been drawn in the sand so to speak. You can either stand firm at 9MH or you can consider the possibilities. The challenge presented by f and where searchers stand will have long standing implications. Choose wisely.

To date Pennywise has more on you than you want to admit.

That wasn't my video I posted.
So if you don't like 9mh then propose an alternate site that more people than just you agree on.
That is one thing I don't see on this forum is a site that more than one person agrees on that the chest was hidden.

[trueyeti]

That wasn't my video I posted.
So if you don't like 9mh then propose an alternate site that more people than just you agree on.
That is one thing I don't see on this forum is a site that more than one person agrees on that the chest was hidden.

IMO, last sentence is an accurate statement. IMO, this is because there is a difference between WWWh and "where the first clue is." That said, IMO....this forum is the place where solves get vetted, but solves should begin with location...first.....WWWh, (IMO) is a booby trap that people fall through, and that's where we've been for the last 10 years or so.... There are a lot of reasons why there isn't "agreement" in here on location, one is that it takes time for views to change....

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It was not found with in 50 miles of west Yellowstone,it was found in Wyoming,not in Yellowstone park, Jack got the chest, I don’t know if he had help from Forrest. Nine mile hole has nothing but people who thought Forrest was giving special hints,he had their number. I think we all know who they are. Clint

[Cary_Galloway]

IMO, last sentence is an accurate statement. IMO, this is because there is a difference between WWWh and "where the first clue is." That said, IMO....this forum is the place where solves get vetted, but solves should begin with location...first.....WWWh, (IMO) is a booby trap that people fall through, and that's where we've been for the last 10 years or so.... There are a lot of reasons why there isn't "agreement" in here on location, one is that it takes time for views to change....

you guys have been here for YEARS and you can't even agree on the very first clue!

[Gunrunner]

you guys have been here for YEARS and you can't even agree on the very first clue!

Let's get back to the subject at hand. This doesn't have anything to do with that new hole you were supposed to be ripping in Zapster's analysis.

And please note: My estimate with the lid closed is consistent with Zap's analysis with the lid open, though I said mine was not precise. (It's harder to estimate the direction and height of the sun.) It's close enough, and I think all estimates so far have been based on giving nookers the very best case scenario. That few degrees west of due north that the log is pointing? Makes your case that much weaker. Doesn't even matter -- we're talking dozens of degrees, at the very minimum, the site would need to rotate to make the shadows possible, and more than that to make them plausible.

Clues or no clues, no one is saying those shadows aren't possible at Nine Mile Hole. Rudy's "nook" is another matter entirely.