Tesouro Sagrado - an off-the-wall hypothesis

[Copper]

I personally love the biblical tie ins. “Do Not Touch” always reminded me of the tree of life that God told Adam and Eve to never eat from. This is from the book of Genesis. “In the beginning….”

“Begin it where”

[Goldilocks]

What a great experience conveyed....well done. Oh....your story resounds within our collective experiences of TTOTC, and there, is where the echoes of our individual experiences are still felt, and are still real.....IMO. The adventure is still there, IMO. I enjoy C.G Jung. I've been wandering through a lecture series on YouTube about his "Red Book." In his analysis of depth of psychology, I find a lot of parallels with my experiences with my life and with TTOTC too (and Forrest). I mention it because IMO, depth psychology is the fertile ground.....where Forrest set up his labyrinth that we do so enjoy! hahahaha The labyrinth is a playground for a trickster.....and a treasure hunt is supposed to be fun.....IMO. (There you go jan, IMO) hehehehehe

Did you ever see this video? It has been at the back of my mind for 10 years....

Listen to this video and then think about the silly 9MH solve and brown trout lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKAcAA8FpOs

[Not4but242Walk]

Did you ever see this video? It has been at the back of my mind for 10 years....

Listen to this video and then think about the silly 9MH solve and brown trout lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKAcAA8FpOs

That is a good video. Thanks for posting.

Many people have different answers for what constitutes the hoB. However, if that feature was similar in nature to the warm waters in the first clue, then Fenn runs into a problem so as not to repeat that description again. For example, if he tried to describe "a lake" (in a generic sense) and for you to put in south of it [below it], he would have to rely on some other method to describe it.

A home is where you are when you are not travelling. In the case of a Brown Trout, being a fresh-water fish, that would mean a waterbody such as that. The USFWS Guide for Authors specifies that except for fish names, do not capitalize species unless they use proper names (Cooper's Hawk, etc.) That doesn't make hoB for certain a lake but together it makes for the possibility of that interpretation.

If you (or anyone else) were to describe "a lake" as a clue in f's poem, how else might one describe it without giving away what it is?
Put in below "----------------"

I'm not sure there are too many possibilities. A lake serves a limited number of purposes, one is as a home., which makes it a potential candidate.

[Goldilocks]

That is a good video. Thanks for posting.

Many people have different answers for what constitutes the hoB. However, if that feature was similar in nature to the warm waters in the first clue, then Fenn runs into a problem so as not to repeat that description again. For example, if he tried to describe "a lake" (in a generic sense) and for you to put in south of it [below it], he would have to rely on some other method to describe it.

A home is where you are when you are not travelling. In the case of a Brown Trout, being a fresh-water fish, that would mean a waterbody such as that. The USFWS Guide for Authors specifies that except for fish names, do not capitalize species unless they use proper names (Cooper's Hawk, etc.) That doesn't make hoB for certain a lake but together it makes for the possibility of that interpretation.

If you (or anyone else) were to describe "a lake" as a clue in f's poem, how else might one describe it without giving away what it is?
Put in below "----------------"

I'm not sure there are too many possibilities. A lake serves a limited number of purposes, one is as a home., which makes it a potential candidate.

Interesting how people tend to group "put in below"......and the "home of Brown". Look how searchers gave it the acronym HoB. That line can be broken up in many ways. For example, put in....below the home (foundation/under floor boards etc.)...of Brown. Jack said, "...there was something in the back half of the second stanza that was a huge difficulty for people to figure out, forming a bottleneck there. So when I was figuring out the clues, I was looking for something in that section that would not be an easy guess but would require some real effort to see things from his perspective." I don't know that Jack solved anything but I do think looking at other possibilities is important.

[Not4but242Walk]

Interesting how people tend to group "put in below"......and the "home of Brown". Look how searchers gave it the acronym HoB. That line can be broken up in many ways. For example, put in....below the home (foundation/under floor boards etc.)...of Brown. Jack said, "...there was something in the back half of the second stanza that was a huge difficulty for people to figure out, forming a bottleneck there. So when I was figuring out the clues, I was looking for something in that section that would not be an easy guess but would require some real effort to see things from his perspective." I don't know that Jack solved anything but I do think looking at other possibilities is important.

Sure, I once thought of a vertical path. BIWWWH, "and take it in" (observe) "the canyon down" (the canyon floor). Notice that it's not geographically far (right beside you perhaps) but TFTW down, so instead PIBTHOB where it's easier to reach the canyon floor.

Agreed. Searchers tended to truncate things. WWWH instead of BIWWWH, when in-fact asking oneself "What is it that I am trying to begin?" is perhaps as important as where the first clue is itself.

[kpro]

Serious question: are you on drugs 24/7?

Ahhhhh……. Stop the madness.

[Shark]

When we were first treated to pics of the found chest, I suspect many of us were a bit underwhelmed. The treasure seemed hardly worth the years of effort and certainly not the post-find bizarre antics and ongoing mystery. Our imaginations had been primed for the exotic and the sparkle of lustrous gems, as well as a celebratory, definitive conclusion.

Three years on, I'm not so concerned with the hiding place anymore, nor the gold, but I was recently nudged toward a new rabbit hole by a comment on one of the latest videos. If anyone would like to join me down this particular warren, you're welcome, but please be aware that it could cave in at any moment!

First, a little background. People used to speculate about the "real" treasure at Forrest's special spot. In my less "tethered" moments, I'd considered things like the Hopi tablet in addition to much darker possibilities. As part of my personal quest I'd also visited Chalice Well in Glastonbury, which has ties to the Grail legend. Since the find, I'd laid most of that to one side, although I was ever curious about the spiritual threads in the chase. Before his departure, Old Pilot had been focusing on what he saw as links to the Christian story, but I'd not been able to reconcile that with Forrest's non-religious standpoint. However, the comment (which I now can't find) by someone going under the name of Hush Whisper got me thinking. He asked Lisa Cesari about the stains on the wood in the chest and suggested that these were of importance. Of course, I immediately thought of blood . . . and that's when I fell straight into the bunny's domain.

What if the chest was created not for what might be placed in it, but to protect - and hide in plain sight - something that might be considered priceless? What if the "lines cross" right inside that chest? What if fakes were important to safeguard the original as well as to keep the story alive? Here's what I found on Wikipedia (my bold red):

"The Titulus Crucis (Latin for "Title of the Cross") is a piece of wood kept in the Church of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome which is claimed to be the titulus (title panel) of the True Cross on which Jesus Christ was crucified.^[1] It is venerated by some Catholics as a relic associated with Jesus. Its authenticity is disputed, with some scholars confirming a plausible authenticity,^[2] while others ignore^[3] or consider it to be a medieval forgery.^[4] Radiocarbon dating tests on the artifact have shown that it dates between 980 and 1146 AD.^[5]

The board is made of walnut wood, 25 cm × 14 cm × 2.6 cm (9.8 in × 5.5 in × 1.0 in) and has a weight of 687 grams (1.515 lb). It is inscribed on one side with three lines, of which the first is mostly destroyed. The second line is written in Greek letters and reversed script, the third in Latin letters, also with reversed script.^[6] The Latin reads Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum ("Jesus the Nazarene King of the Jews"),^[7] corresponding to John 19:19^[8] and the initials INRI familiar to Roman Catholics. The Titulus Crucis is also mentioned in the Synoptics: in Mark 15:26^[9] (as the reason of the crucifixion), in Luke 23:38^[10] and in Matthew 27:37.^[11]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titulus_Crucis

So for those left still reading, here's what occurred to me. Legend has it that parts of the cross were distributed early in Christianity's history. If the "Title" were to be kept safe, it might be copied and displayed for public veneration, while the original is hidden. What if the hider came up with the idea of encasing it in bronze, with the inscription hidden by placing that side against the metal? It then appears to be a "regular" lined chest. What is really intriguing is that the dimensions of the medieval forgery appear to be very similar to Fenn's chest, except for the thickness of the wood (which would be less important in maintaining an authentic appearance).

This may be a ridiculous line of thought, but circumstantially quite a number of things feed into it:

• Where the lines (inscription) cross;
• Nailed down;
• "Mirrors" in the chest and the backwards bike;
• The heavy emphasis on wood throughout the chase and its aftermath;
• The crosses seen hanging on the walls in the realtor photos of Fenn's house;
• The "wet" chest;
• The hints to "red," both in the poem and elsewhere;
• The missing X;
• King Fisher (King of the Jews);
• The one who deserves a throne;
• Tesouro Sagrado - SACRED TREASURE.

In essence, could the Holy Grail be the container that holds the "Title" - the powerful symbol of Jesus' crucifixion? I'm well aware it's a crazy, outlandish idea, but that seems to be the predominant nature of the chase.

Jesus was said to have been killed on a stake, not a cross. It is a common faulty translation of stauros.

The cross was a 'stolen' symbol that had nothing to do with Jesus/Christianity, but was adopted by Christians.

Although I find this massively far-fetched, i suppose it could relate to a cross regardless

[voxpops]

Jesus was said to have been killed on a stake, not a cross. It is a common faulty translation of stauros.

The cross was a 'stolen' symbol that had nothing to do with Jesus/Christianity, but was adopted by Christians.

Although I find this massively far-fetched, i suppose it could relate to a cross regardless

Nonetheless, whether stake or cross, it's still wood. But yes, it is massively far-fetched. It was an interesting rabbit hole to explore - as a side excursion. However, I don't think the LLC plucked the "Sacred Treasure" name out of thin air. There's something about this hunt that people (presumably with more knowledge than most of us here) think is very profound - even sacred.

[In My Opinion]

Is the Fenn chest a copy of the Detroit museum casket or is it the other way around? I spent a ton of time down that rabbit hole

[Livinlifebig]

Interesting how people tend to group "put in below"......and the "home of Brown". Look how searchers gave it the acronym HoB. That line can be broken up in many ways. For example, put in....below the home (foundation/under floor boards etc.)...of Brown. Jack said, "...there was something in the back half of the second stanza that was a huge difficulty for people to figure out, forming a bottleneck there. So when I was figuring out the clues, I was looking for something in that section that would not be an easy guess but would require some real effort to see things from his perspective." I don't know that Jack solved anything but I do think looking at other possibilities is important.

Put in below, as in HOB was above you in height... It's not put in down, as in down river.

[Copper]

I thought you had to look up to see Brown as well. But I haven’t seen anyone mention anything that fits very well at 9MH.

[Livinlifebig]

I thought you had to look up to see Brown as well. But I haven’t seen anyone mention anything that fits very well at 9MH.

Because it was never there.

[Cary_Galloway]

You were sold a lemon at the used car lot and you still think the salesman is a saint?
Wake up.

[voxpops]

You were sold a lemon at the used car lot and you still think the salesman is a saint?
Wake up.

Saints, I suspect, are rarely diabolical.

I'm not buyng what anyone's selling at the moment, and that includes fallen twigs, rusty keys and scissors, miracle logs, disappearing medical students, holes of any depth, complaining plaintiffs, and publically published poems that purport to prove possession.

[Tornado]

The treasure does hold the title. The title is the inscription on the eye of the frog. IMO, that is a symbol for the 9-clues, and a metaphor for the "Eye." IMO, the "Eye" is a metaphor for the soul....you know, "I Am that I Am," the I of the Eye, the eye is the window to the soul, "If thine eye be single...." You know all this metaphor stuff. How else could you have come up with these ideas in the thread comment? IMO, Forrest swings from vine to vine, like he swings from metaphor to metaphor. Yeah, Indulgence and Tarzan too.

If the eye is a window into the soul, then what does a frogs rear end reveal?