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    When we were first treated to pics of the found chest, I suspect many of us were a bit underwhelmed. The treasure seemed hardly worth the years of effort and certainly not the post-find bizarre antics and ongoing mystery. Our imaginations had been primed for the exotic and the sparkle of lustrous gems, as well as a celebratory, definitive conclusion.

    Three years on, I'm not so concerned with the hiding place anymore, nor the gold, but I was recently nudged toward a new rabbit hole by a comment on one of the latest videos. If anyone would like to join me down this particular warren, you're welcome, but please be aware that it could cave in at any moment!

    First, a little background. People used to speculate about the "real" treasure at Forrest's special spot. In my less "tethered" moments, I'd considered things like the Hopi tablet in addition to much darker possibilities. As part of my personal quest I'd also visited Chalice Well in Glastonbury, which has ties to the Grail legend. Since the find, I'd laid most of that to one side, although I was ever curious about the spiritual threads in the chase. Before his departure, Old Pilot had been focusing on what he saw as links to the Christian story, but I'd not been able to reconcile that with Forrest's non-religious standpoint. However, the comment (which I now can't find) by someone going under the name of Hush Whisper got me thinking. He asked Lisa Cesari about the stains on the wood in the chest and suggested that these were of importance. Of course, I immediately thought of blood . . . and that's when I fell straight into the bunny's domain.

    What if the chest was created not for what might be placed in it, but to protect - and hide in plain sight - something that might be considered priceless? What if the "lines cross" right inside that chest? What if fakes were important to safeguard the original as well as to keep the story alive? Here's what I found on Wikipedia (my bold red):

    "The Titulus Crucis (Latin for "Title of the Cross") is a piece of wood kept in the Church of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome which is claimed to be the titulus (title panel) of the True Cross on which Jesus Christ was crucified.[1] It is venerated by some Catholics as a relic associated with Jesus. Its authenticity is disputed, with some scholars confirming a plausible authenticity,[2] while others ignore[3] or consider it to be a medieval forgery.[4] Radiocarbon dating tests on the artifact have shown that it dates between 980 and 1146 AD.[5]

    The board is made of walnut wood, 25 cm × 14 cm × 2.6 cm (9.8 in × 5.5 in × 1.0 in) and has a weight of 687 grams (1.515 lb). It is inscribed on one side with three lines, of which the first is mostly destroyed. The second line is written in Greek letters and reversed script, the third in Latin letters, also with reversed script.[6] The Latin reads Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum ("Jesus the Nazarene King of the Jews"),[7] corresponding to John 19:19[8] and the initials INRI familiar to Roman Catholics. The Titulus Crucis is also mentioned in the Synoptics: in Mark 15:26[9] (as the reason of the crucifixion), in Luke 23:38[10] and in Matthew 27:37.[11]"



    So for those left still reading, here's what occurred to me. Legend has it that parts of the cross were distributed early in Christianity's history. If the "Title" were to be kept safe, it might be copied and displayed for public veneration, while the original is hidden. What if the hider came up with the idea of encasing it in bronze, with the inscription hidden by placing that side against the metal? It then appears to be a "regular" lined chest. What is really intriguing is that the dimensions of the medieval forgery appear to be very similar to Fenn's chest, except for the thickness of the wood (which would be less important in maintaining an authentic appearance).

    This may be a ridiculous line of thought, but circumstantially quite a number of things feed into it:
    • Where the lines (inscription) cross;
    • Nailed down;
    • "Mirrors" in the chest and the backwards bike;
    • The heavy emphasis on wood throughout the chase and its aftermath;
    • The crosses seen hanging on the walls in the realtor photos of Fenn's house;
    • The "wet" chest;
    • The hints to "red," both in the poem and elsewhere;
    • The missing X;
    • King Fisher (King of the Jews);
    • The one who deserves a throne;
    • Tesouro Sagrado - SACRED TREASURE.
    In essence, could the Holy Grail be the container that holds the "Title" - the powerful symbol of Jesus' crucifixion? I'm well aware it's a crazy, outlandish idea, but that seems to be the predominant nature of the chase.

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    One thing that potentially supports this idea is that most of the contents were auctioned off, as if unimportant, but the chest itself was retained. Others have noted that images of the found chest, which show slight differences form earlier photographs, suggest that one may not be the actual Romanesque chest - in keeping with the idea of making copies to confuse and frustrate those with ill or selfish intentions, and to hint at what's been going on.

    Was Fenn looking for a suitable person/persons to pass custody to? Was the holding LLC given a name that describes their true purpose?
    Last edited by voxpops; 05-04-2023, 08:24 AM.

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    • #3
      This hypothesis is so very interesting voxpops! Thank you for giving us something new (and old, lol) to really think about. This is truly fascinating to me.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Deja View Post
        This hypothesis is so very interesting voxpops! Thank you for giving us something new (and old, lol) to really think about. This is truly fascinating to me.
        You're welcome, Deja, but it's really down to Hush Whisper who sparked my thought process.

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        • #5
          Two thumbs up!

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          • #6
            The treasure does hold the title. The title is the inscription on the eye of the frog. IMO, that is a symbol for the 9-clues, and a metaphor for the "Eye." IMO, the "Eye" is a metaphor for the soul....you know, "I Am that I Am," the I of the Eye, the eye is the window to the soul, "If thine eye be single...." You know all this metaphor stuff. How else could you have come up with these ideas in the thread comment? IMO, Forrest swings from vine to vine, like he swings from metaphor to metaphor. Yeah, Indulgence and Tarzan too.

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            • #7
              The religious connection has always been there in the book. Fenn's use of the word Alpha in the story text and the link in the Colophon of the book with two Omegas.
              There are mentions of Alpha and Omega in the Bible book of Revelation and it refers to Christ. The phrase used is:
              "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end"
              The word Revelation means to reveal something that was secret. ( "I can keep my secret where" ) in the Bible. The phrase can also relate to the rainbow, first mentioned in the book of Genesis in the Bible.
              This word is mentioned 4 ​​​​​ times in Genesis ( the first book of the Bible ) and 2 times in Revelation ( the last book of the Bible ) together this gives us 4 and 2 the first and the last books of the Bible.
              42 relates to the weight of the chest in pounds.
              Using a simple cipher of letters to number the word Alpha adds up to 38 and Omega adds up to 41 and together they total up to 79 the atomic number of GOLD.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by trueyeti View Post
                The treasure does hold the title. The title is the inscription on the eye of the frog. IMO, that is a symbol for the 9-clues, and a metaphor for the "Eye." IMO, the "Eye" is a metaphor for the soul....you know, "I Am that I Am," the I of the Eye, the eye is the window to the soul, "If thine eye be single...." You know all this metaphor stuff. How else could you have come up with these ideas in the thread comment? IMO, Forrest swings from vine to vine, like he swings from metaphor to metaphor. Yeah, Indulgence and Tarzan too.
                Yes, but in the end are we to find the truth that the metaphors point to? There has to be a reason for Fenn choosing that particular chest, and for the LLC being called "Sacred." IMO there's something at the heart of all this mystery and strangeness - something more than a metaphor.

                What I wrote in this thread is just one rather far-fetched idea, but I was amazed that the more I thought about it, the more it all seemed to fit. Mind you we all had that problem with our solves!

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                • #9
                  Didn't Eric Sloane sign his name backwards in his "Mandrake Fenn" cartoon? Reverse inscription is part of this legend.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by voxpops View Post

                    ....
                    This may be a ridiculous line of thought, but circumstantially quite a number of things feed into it:
                    • Where the lines (inscription) cross;
                    • Nailed down;
                    • "Mirrors" in the chest and the backwards bike;
                    • The heavy emphasis on wood throughout the chase and its aftermath;
                    • The crosses seen hanging on the walls in the realtor photos of Fenn's house;
                    • The "wet" chest;
                    • The hints to "red," both in the poem and elsewhere;
                    • The missing X;
                    • King Fisher (King of the Jews);
                    • The one who deserves a throne;
                    • Tesouro Sagrado - SACRED TREASURE.
                    In essence, could the Holy Grail be the container that holds the "Title" - the powerful symbol of Jesus' crucifixion? I'm well aware it's a crazy, outlandish idea, but that seems to be the predominant nature of the chase.
                    You make it sound like a real Indiana Jones-type searcher may be needed!

                    I think this is a great story! Don't think it's even remotely true, but still...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by voxpops View Post
                      When we were first treated to pics of the found chest, I suspect many of us were a bit underwhelmed. The treasure seemed hardly worth the years of effort and certainly not the post-find bizarre antics and ongoing mystery. Our imaginations had been primed for the exotic and the sparkle of lustrous gems, as well as a celebratory, definitive conclusion.

                      Three years on, I'm not so concerned with the hiding place anymore, nor the gold, but I was recently nudged toward a new rabbit hole by a comment on one of the latest videos. If anyone would like to join me down this particular warren, you're welcome, but please be aware that it could cave in at any moment!

                      First, a little background. People used to speculate about the "real" treasure at Forrest's special spot. In my less "tethered" moments, I'd considered things like the Hopi tablet in addition to much darker possibilities. As part of my personal quest I'd also visited Chalice Well in Glastonbury, which has ties to the Grail legend. Since the find, I'd laid most of that to one side, although I was ever curious about the spiritual threads in the chase. Before his departure, Old Pilot had been focusing on what he saw as links to the Christian story, but I'd not been able to reconcile that with Forrest's non-religious standpoint. However, the comment (which I now can't find) by someone going under the name of Hush Whisper got me thinking. He asked Lisa Cesari about the stains on the wood in the chest and suggested that these were of importance. Of course, I immediately thought of blood . . . and that's when I fell straight into the bunny's domain.

                      What if the chest was created not for what might be placed in it, but to protect - and hide in plain sight - something that might be considered priceless? What if the "lines cross" right inside that chest? What if fakes were important to safeguard the original as well as to keep the story alive? Here's what I found on Wikipedia (my bold red):

                      "The Titulus Crucis (Latin for "Title of the Cross") is a piece of wood kept in the Church of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme in Rome which is claimed to be the titulus (title panel) of the True Cross on which Jesus Christ was crucified.[1] It is venerated by some Catholics as a relic associated with Jesus. Its authenticity is disputed, with some scholars confirming a plausible authenticity,[2] while others ignore[3] or consider it to be a medieval forgery.[4] Radiocarbon dating tests on the artifact have shown that it dates between 980 and 1146 AD.[5]

                      The board is made of walnut wood, 25 cm × 14 cm × 2.6 cm (9.8 in × 5.5 in × 1.0 in) and has a weight of 687 grams (1.515 lb). It is inscribed on one side with three lines, of which the first is mostly destroyed. The second line is written in Greek letters and reversed script, the third in Latin letters, also with reversed script.[6] The Latin reads Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum ("Jesus the Nazarene King of the Jews"),[7] corresponding to John 19:19[8] and the initials INRI familiar to Roman Catholics. The Titulus Crucis is also mentioned in the Synoptics: in Mark 15:26[9] (as the reason of the crucifixion), in Luke 23:38[10] and in Matthew 27:37.[11]"



                      So for those left still reading, here's what occurred to me. Legend has it that parts of the cross were distributed early in Christianity's history. If the "Title" were to be kept safe, it might be copied and displayed for public veneration, while the original is hidden. What if the hider came up with the idea of encasing it in bronze, with the inscription hidden by placing that side against the metal? It then appears to be a "regular" lined chest. What is really intriguing is that the dimensions of the medieval forgery appear to be very similar to Fenn's chest, except for the thickness of the wood (which would be less important in maintaining an authentic appearance).

                      This may be a ridiculous line of thought, but circumstantially quite a number of things feed into it:
                      • Where the lines (inscription) cross;
                      • Nailed down;
                      • "Mirrors" in the chest and the backwards bike;
                      • The heavy emphasis on wood throughout the chase and its aftermath;
                      • The crosses seen hanging on the walls in the realtor photos of Fenn's house;
                      • The "wet" chest;
                      • The hints to "red," both in the poem and elsewhere;
                      • The missing X;
                      • King Fisher (King of the Jews);
                      • The one who deserves a throne;
                      • Tesouro Sagrado - SACRED TREASURE.
                      In essence, could the Holy Grail be the container that holds the "Title" - the powerful symbol of Jesus' crucifixion? I'm well aware it's a crazy, outlandish idea, but that seems to be the predominant nature of the chase.
                      Almost every rabbit hole I've explored has an element of connection to it - we find the rabbit holes and go looking in them because there is something there; not necessarily the answer(s), but something that may be important in connecting the dots. Tesouro Sagrado wasn't an accidental name, it was purposeful....as are the various references to Christianity and Judaism.....but I'm not convinced they get us where we're supposed to go; they're more like guideposts along the way.
                      Lost Time is never found again. - Benjamin Franklin​

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gunrunner View Post

                        You make it sound like a real Indiana Jones-type searcher may be needed!

                        I think this is a great story! Don't think it's even remotely true, but still...
                        Ha! Yes, you're probably right - but it tickled my mental tastebuds nonetheless.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RahRah View Post

                          Almost every rabbit hole I've explored has an element of connection to it - we find the rabbit holes and go looking in them because there is something there; not necessarily the answer(s), but something that may be important in connecting the dots. Tesouro Sagrado wasn't an accidental name, it was purposeful....as are the various references to Christianity and Judaism.....but I'm not convinced they get us where we're supposed to go; they're more like guideposts along the way.
                          I think that's a good way to look at it: "guideposts along the way." I agree that this line of enquiry won't reveal anything by itself. But I have to admit how surprised I was at the way it fitted so many elements of what we've seen and learned. Perhaps we could view it as a possible parallel to what Fenn is hinting at (or metaphoric signpost, to misquote trueyeti).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by voxpops View Post

                            I think that's a good way to look at it: "guideposts along the way." I agree that this line of enquiry won't reveal anything by itself. But I have to admit how surprised I was at the way it fitted so many elements of what we've seen and learned. Perhaps we could view it as a possible parallel to what Fenn is hinting at (or metaphoric signpost, to misquote trueyeti).
                            I agree with that - in fact, most of the poem can be tied to biblical passages, which is really interesting, but don't get you to a point on the map!
                            Lost Time is never found again. - Benjamin Franklin​

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by voxpops View Post

                              Ha! Yes, you're probably right - but it tickled my mental tastebuds nonetheless.
                              I can already see it -- the movie opens with the blue fire of the bronze being melted, a few quick shots of the chest pieces being poured and assembled by strong, ready hands, and the nearly finished piece delivered under cover of darkness to the monastery and set before the abbot with a solid thump on an oaken table. After the cloaked delivery person leaves, the abbot lifts the lid, showing the slots ready to receive the slats he has cut -- four equal-sized slats from the same relic. He slides them into place, inscriptions hidden, hammers down the tabs to secure the panels, places his Book of Days inside, and appraises the result with a critical eye. Yes, it's good. The whole thing looks brand new. He sets it on a polished side table just as we hear the King's dogs coming, barking, and accompanying the King's soldiers.

                              Shift to the present. The dogs of the agents of Operation Cerberus are inside the mission, barking on the trail of Native American artifacts, as the white-robed and aging archbishop, Fenn, looks on in dismay. One of the agents lifts the lid of the empty chest and we get a close-up shot of Fenn's eyes, watching intently. After the agents leave with whatever they've decided to carry off, Fenn crams the chest full of treasure, shifts into street clothes, and instead of riding off into the desert on his burro, he just calls in the helicopter.

                              And we're off and running!

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