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Someone needs to go to fb or discord, cynthia posted an email from dal regarding the poem in the chest. I can't get to it, traveling. But curious your thoughts.
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Dal said that FF told him there was a poem inside the chest.
Jack said he didn't see any poem inside the chest.
Therefore for both to be correct the poem was inside the olive jar.
Since Dal released the bio and the bio ending matches IDENTICALLY to the olive jar as far as we can tell.
The poem at the very last page of the BIO and therefore Olive Jar would be:
I wish I could have lived to do, the things I was attributed to.
Which we know FF wrote. How else would we know the poem was written by FF? The only way would be if we had seen the poem before.
Why this poem? Because it was to be his epitaph.
bla bla marker bla bla placed bla my grave bla bla inscription:
I wish I could have lived to do,
the things I was attributed to.
Think of the grave marker in Vietnam?
A French name and rank was followed by arcing English words across the top:
IF YOU SHOULD EVER THINK OF ME
WHEN I HAVE PASSED THIS VALE,
AND WISH TO PLEASE MY GHOST,
FORGIVE A SINNER AND SMILE AT A HOMELY GIRL
Those words burned in my brain and I can see them just as clearly now as I did then, when I was so rushed.
So there you have it. That is the only short poem it could be.
Has to be:
1) something we've read by him otherwise we wouldn't know he wrote it
2) something short
3) probably something meaningful. I don't think it would be a whimsical poem. Think of all the poems FF has written. It would have be be one of them.
This poem is at the end of TTOTC
This poem is the last text of the recently released BIO.
This poem is probably the last text of the Olive Jar since the words in the last page of the Olive Jar completely match what is in the BIO even to the same printed spacing.
You guys are making a big deal over a nothing burger.Last edited by Cary_Galloway; 04-28-2023, 11:39 PM.Comment
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It is so important to know the exact words. If F used a pronoun, it could be assumed to be one thing, but it might really mean another.
We all struggle to remember the details of a conversation, but in this case, it's really important. Example, in one instance... "ask them to tell about the poem I put in there." In what? the solve or the treasure chest? Was his statement about writing a poem or the solution?
How would you respond if you were Jack... and what if the bulk of the Solve was taken? It's easiest to say there was no poem. If he pointed to it otherwise, it might be revealed that it wasn't his solution after all....
Another instance- is it a poem written by Fenn, or is it a solution that includes reference to a poem within the solution that Fenn wrote??
I don't think Jack was lying about there being no poem in the chest. The solution, on the other hand....Comment
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Cary_Galloway
Cary, Jack is not the first finder, he is a Very good Con man.
Why are you so blind to this? And, the chest was never at NMH.Last edited by Livinlifebig; 04-29-2023, 12:45 AM."It was a lightning strike moment for me" f.Comment
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Dal-
Thank you, you ole man, for taking the time to reach way down into those deep crevasses of your mind to recollect that conversation. I believe your memory to be correct. For some time now, I have been fairly certain that Forrest's poem is incomplete. Sure, he said there were nine, maybe 9.5 clues in the poem that will lead you to the chest. What I think he omitted to say is you might have to figure a few additional clues out by your lonesome. Forrest knew anyone worth their weight in salt would eventually figure that out.
Let me give you an example. "So hear me all.." So=sow=under hear=here The root word of here relates to hero, which derives from the Greek? (I forget) word for God or providence. Me=I I=eye all=awl, and we know some people recently were questioning some marks on those shiny gold discs things which they thought looked like braille. We know Braile as a 3-year-old boy who poked out his eye with his mother's sewing awl, leaving only ONE EYE (which he eventually lost because he developed an autoimmune reaction directed against the damaged eye tissue he poked out. Using the very same awl which cost him his eyesight, he found he could make small little dents in a pattern on paper which he could perceive by touch. He named it touche'. no (I made that last part up..) So where were we?...Oh, then putting it all together, we have....."under the all-seeing eye of God". Which of course, references to the Great Seal of the USA.
There I was stuck inside that triangle for TWO YEARS. I looked under every rock. It was the perfect ending. On the South side of that triangle I found three pits where the ancients used to dig to get at the unoxidized shale?(I'm no geologist) which they used to make arrowheads. What a finish! The trouble was I couldn't find that damn box. What was I missing? For TWO YEARS... Then an Angel told me to look closer at that image on the back of the $1 bill.
Come on, ole man...you can do it. What did I see which was not in the poem but which I am absolutely certain is required to move to the next location? I'll wait for your answer. It's critical to find "that" spot IMO
Then if I'm correct, the poem is incomplete. Could it be that Forrest did that intentionally so one would spend two years of their life pulling their hair out so they would look like him? If so, then the complete version of his poem, I think, is in the box. Then when someone finds and publishes the whole poem it will make perfect sense, and we will know it came from Forrest. Then we will awl slap our foreheads and say why didn't eye think of that? ...(and I wouldn't assume chest refers to a treasure chest.... just saying) Dal, do you think someone would get kicked out of Heaven if you tried to kill someone when you got there? I kinda would like to know the answer to that question. ..Just asking for a friend)
Billy
PS. On that fateful day, June 6th, I was hiking up that rather steep approach when I happened to glance down, and I couldn't believe it. I thought it looked like a four-leaved clover. I'm 70, and my eyesight is not as it once was, so I kneeled down and put on my reading glasses. It was! Now armed with this lucky charm, I took a selfie with my charm and emailed it to him, telling him the Angels and the leprechauns were on my side and no one, including him, could stop me. Later that afternoon, he showed me who was boss.
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Well, Kpro. I think it has everything. Marry clues to a place on a map. Your creek. Underwater rocks. HOB. Brave in the woods. I buried it but don't want to say that. Even the blaze. 2" x 5" spot on the root of the tree we see in the picture. He saw the depression and found it. It was how Forrest saw it. No other place was considered. I think that's ends it.
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voxpops already posted it on Just shut up thread yesterday. Lots of good observations over there. Dal seems to have some lapses in memory.Comment
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I can't believe it... But I actually agree with you on this one!Dal said that FF told him there was a poem inside the chest.
Jack said he didn't see any poem inside the chest.
Therefore for both to be correct the poem was inside the olive jar.
Since Dal released the bio and the bio ending matches IDENTICALLY to the olive jar as far as we can tell.
The poem at the very last page of the BIO and therefore Olive Jar would be:
I wish I could have lived to do, the things I was attributed to.
Which we know FF wrote. How else would we know the poem was written by FF? The only way would be if we had seen the poem before.
Why this poem? Because it was to be his epitaph.
bla bla marker bla bla placed bla my grave bla bla inscription:
I wish I could have lived to do,
the things I was attributed to.
Think of the grave marker in Vietnam?
A French name and rank was followed by arcing English words across the top:
IF YOU SHOULD EVER THINK OF ME
WHEN I HAVE PASSED THIS VALE,
AND WISH TO PLEASE MY GHOST,
FORGIVE A SINNER AND SMILE AT A HOMELY GIRL
Those words burned in my brain and I can see them just as clearly now as I did then, when I was so rushed.
So there you have it. That is the only short poem it could be.
Has to be:
1) something we've read by him otherwise we wouldn't know he wrote it
2) something short
3) probably something meaningful. I don't think it would be a whimsical poem. Think of all the poems FF has written. It would have be be one of them.
This poem is at the end of TTOTC
This poem is the last text of the recently released BIO.
This poem is probably the last text of the Olive Jar since the words in the last page of the Olive Jar completely match what is in the BIO even to the same printed spacing.
You guys are making a big deal over a nothing burger.
Shite happens....Comment
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This one is so easy maybe even Kpro and Cynthia will understand it.
FF said you will KNOW it was from him.
There is a big difference between knowing and thinking you know.
The only way to know the poem was from FF would be if he had told the poem before.
There is no other way.
People thinking that there is some new, never heard before poem that we KNOW is from FF is illogical and absurd.
There would be NO way we could know it was from Forrest.
Not some people thinking "that could be from FF" and other people disagreeing "FF didn't write that".
A way for everyone to agree it was from Forrest Fenn as a fact.Last edited by Cary_Galloway; 04-29-2023, 11:53 AM.Comment
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how does dal know crayton again my memory isn't what it used to beComment
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Forrest had private conversations with Dal. He could have easily imparted information which Dal would remember and that was also contained in the "poem," if such a thing actually exists.
If we're talking about logic, how does a poem that includes publically available material insure Dal knows that someone has the true treasure chest?Last edited by voxpops; 04-29-2023, 12:39 PM.Comment
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