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You have to ask your self why did Forrest place the frog and horse head nugget on the map page 133 TTOTC and the frog is pointing at something on the horse head nugget

[crow]

When you match up the map in the book with an actual map, the frog points to the location of " Capt Kidd " which is mentioned on that page. The nugget arrangement in the book represents the treasure area. The same arrangement in the chest shows the chest location. Notice where it says gold behind the nugget in the chest. That's not an accident or coincidence. But what do I know. I'm just another treasure hunter who doesn't have the chest.

[trueyeti]

Hey,
The eyes and nose of the frog are a triangle, and it (the triangle) is pointing to a distinct "arrow," that is on that nugget. The triangle is pointing at the arrow. If you can show a solve that mirrors this on the ground....then what would that say about Marrying the poem to the map? Cheers.

[Sirius B]

Hey,
The eyes and nose of the frog are a triangle, and it (the triangle) is pointing to a distinct "arrow," that is on that nugget. The triangle is pointing at the arrow. If you can show a solve that mirrors this on the ground....then what would that say about Marrying the poem to the map? Cheers.

What if the Home of Brown is Arlington National Cemetery? Lots of people named Brown now call that place home. Maybe triangle refers to the Federal Triangle in DC around the Capitol? Or the Golden Triangle, the transportation hub of DC? The Pentagon, Xanadu, Oz and The Folgers are all fine theaters nearby. It's a suggestive map, imho. Martha's Vineyard looks like a frog.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Yeti, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

[Duster]

I was looking to redecorate my house. I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for so I just bought a canvas and painted it myself. I guess if you want things done right you've got to do it yourself.

[trueyeti]

What if the Home of Brown is Arlington National Cemetery? Lots of people named Brown now call that place home. Maybe triangle refers to the Federal Triangle in DC around the Capitol? Or the Golden Triangle, the transportation hub of DC? The Pentagon, Xanadu, Oz and The Folgers are all fine theaters nearby. It's a suggestive map, imho.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Yeti, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Hey B,
There may a thousand ways to skin a cat, but in the year of the Tiger….there is only one way.

The preview for t.v.’s next “Logs in Space” episode is titled, “The Indulgence of Mars,” and it shows the ship’s crew searching for a distress beacon that is within a box that they think is located somewhere on the planet Mars. By using the ship’s navigational reflector, they are reading the ambient cosmic radiation that is bouncing off several satellites orbiting the planet Mars in an attempt to triangulate the location of the box……they think that they are homing in on their target…..but the navigational deflector readings indicate that the location of the box……keeps changing from place to place to place…..across the face of Mars. And as a result, the Captain is seen wildly swinging from a vine on the bridge while yelling “The readings are all over the place, this entire day has caught up to me…..I’m going bananas….there are ghosts in the machine…..or else gremlins!!!” The science officer then chimes in, “Captain, our long-range sensors indicate that the distress beacon is now pinging from a box on planet Earth!!!”

Moral of the story….the only way to skin a Tiger is to specify the location of the box…..based on well known facts which “triangulate” to provide the answers for the question of, “Who is Brown?” rather than to rely on the “Space Logs” that are created when reading tea leaves, or counting on cosmic radiation that has the box bouncing everywhere except where it is…..I can’t wait to see the full episode…..kind of reminds me of “Triangle of Sadness,” which is up for “best-picture” this year at the Academy Awards….you know….”triangulate.”

[Duster]

It's the picture lol.

[Sirius B]

“best-picture” this year at the Academy Awards….you know….”triangulate.”

I see. Well we all have our sci fi fantasies don't we?

I had an idea for a show that's sort of like Upstart Crow meets Dr. Who that could easily win a razzie.

"They" solve time travel but can only go back in time, and then back again to the present. Like time tourism. They discover that they can bring people from the past up to the present safely though without messing up the time space continuum. People in the past are already dead and exist in a "Half Life" first described by Phillip K Dick in Ubik. In the context of the present, however, they appear to real and corporeal, have personality and memories, but can't "go back." So far, only Freud, John Lennon, and Elvis have been brought to the present, but problems have arisen in the project goals, and they didn't realize they couldn't send Freud back. "They" now are trying to be more careful about who they reanimate, and realizing from interrogating these three that the information they seek is much older, they decide to bring the "Shakespearean" author circle, led by Bacon, De Vere, and cohort, to interact with Freud, Lennon and Elvis.

In the practical modern contexts, because all of their speech, manners, bigotry, misogyny, and dress is completely unacceptable these days, they must be hidden from the media. They are spectacularly inconvenient, and even though the PTB tried, they can't be killed either- they're already dead. A peculiarity of time travel for people already dead besides not being able to go back is that they are now present in our reality as physical holograms that are "real" in our timeline, but not in their own. Worse, everybody nowadays recognizes them, and worst of all they won't shut up. So the PTB decides to hide them in the place nobody would ever look for inconvenient, unkillable, undead, and yet highly recognizable time travelers: at the Folgers Library, as a cover, saying they are a method acting troupe from England directed by Freud. They all come up with modern names of their liking to use as covers. I was thinking of calling it A Play's the Thing. Something like Night at the Museum, but more focused on the Mall, the Folgers and the LOC. Through the action it it is demonstrated that the American Project actually began in Elizabethan England as a scam played on the Royals, and these colorful characters have been at the DC mall all along since day 1. Get it? Time travel? LIbrary? So what are they going to investigate? You tell me. I'm thinking they use FOIA requests at LOC to blow up Watergate and then make it into a play. Did you see what I did there? The Folgers is right next door to the Library of Congress in reality.

Intelligence seeking inspiration and guidance from the past? From their fathers? Generational atonement. The founding fathers of what Le Carre called "the Circus", where the actors even then played in the Globe Theater? Then discovering we cant get rid of what's already dead yet still speaks the truth? It's where we came from. The inconvenience of that truth. The eventual acceptance of it, and finally the self-identification with it and the emergence of a mature super-ego from it: dammit Yeti- it's Freudian and it's drama! You can almost hear Sophocles doing a slow clap next to Orson Welles; and we can have Freud himself narrate it. Hopefully it ends with a viewer realizing maybe the founding fathers, like our own fathers, were definitely not perfect, inconvenient and politically incorrect, but weren't really that bad, and maybe even not as bad as us. Some viewers are satisfied by that kind of symmetry. I am. The comic parody and casting potential here is pretty much limitless. At the end, they send Freud to Russia, and he ends up destabilizing the whole Eastern Bloc.

[Hear me all]

Here's the frog.

[Walker]

I see. Well we all have our sci fi fantasies don't we?

I had an idea for a show that's sort of like Upstart Crow meets Dr. Who that could easily win a razzie.

"They" solve time time travel but can only go back in time, and then back again to the present. Like time tourism. They discover that they can bring people from the past up to the present safely though without messing up the time space continuum. People in the past are already dead and exist in a "Half Life" first described by Phillip K Dick in Ubik. In the context of the present, however, they appear to real and corporeal, have personality and memories, but can't "go back." So far, only Freud, John Lennon, and Elvis have been brought to the present, but problems have arisen in the project goals, and they didn't realize they couldn't send Freud back. "They" now are trying to be more careful about who they reanimate, and realizing from interrogating these three that the information they seek is much older, they decide to bring the "Shakespearean" author circle, led by Bacon, De Vere, and cohort, to interact with Freud, Lennon and Elvis.

In the practical modern contexts, because all of their speech, manners, bigotry, misogyny, and dress is completely unacceptable these days, they must be hidden from the media. They are spectacularly inconvenient, and even though the TPTB tried, they can't be killed either- they're already dead. Worse, everybody recognizes them. So they decide to hide them in the place nobody would ever look for inconvenient, unkillable, undead, and yet highly recognizable time travelers: at the Folgers Library, as a cover, saying they are a method acting troupe from England directed by Freud. They all come up with modern names of their liking to use as covers. I was thinking of calling it A Play's the Thing. Something like Night at the Museum, but more focused on the Mall, the Folgers and the LOC. Through the action it it is demonstrated that the American Project actually began in Elizabethan England, and these colorful characters have been at the DC mall all along. Get it? Time travel? LIbrary? So what are they going to investigate? You tell me. I'm thinking they use FOIA requests at LOC to blow up Watergate. Did you see what I did there? The Folgers is right next door to the Library of Congress in reality.

Intelligence seeking inspiration and guidance from the past? We cant get rid of what's already dead yet still speaks the truth? The inconvenience of the truth. The acceptance of it, and eventually the self-identification with it and the emergence of a mature super ego from it: dammit Yeti- it's Freudian and it's drama! Hopefully it ends with a viewer realizing maybe the founding fathers weren't so bad, and maybe even not as bad as us. Some viewers are satisfied by that kind of symmetry. I am.

There you go, mummering on about things again. LOL
I like it though. The past speaking to us, through the ghosts of the past. Sort of like "A Christmas Carol" with Scrooge learning from the Ghost of Christmas Past.
That would be an interesting show, but I fear it wouldn't be appreciated until years after, as a sort of cult classic. Which wouldn't be bad.

[Walker]

Here's the frog.

Well, now. That's interesting. Other than "One Horse Land and Cattle Company", can you make anything out of that in regards to the Chase?

[Sirius B]

There you go, mummering on about things again. LOL
I like it though. The past speaking to us, through the ghosts of the past. Sort of like "A Christmas Carol" with Scrooge learning from the Ghost of Christmas Past.
That would be an interesting show, but I fear it wouldn't be appreciated until years after, as a sort of cult classic. Which wouldn't be bad.

Right?
You get it. This casts a wide net though. A have a "Ghost of Christmas Past" story already involving Poe and a Walrus that I'll share later.
But...
Try to get a feel-good classic out of Watergate where you can hire half of Hollywood, and end up healing a national wound through parody without really exposing or saying anything secret at all. Or did we say something? Why are all the adults laughing so hard? You'll just have to study up kids.

That's art, Walker.

And I'm always thinking about the franchise. You can bring back Hercule Poirot and Sherlock Holmes for a totally separate treatment- say the Profumo Affair. If you ask me, the single funniest thing about that is not being able to get rid of him, or shut him up once he starts talking and "solving" it. And nobody can even sue us for whatever he says, it is a fictional story about fictional characters that had fictional cover identities, were spies, and in some cases- doubles. Or musicians.

Fenn taught me well. We'll have to clear it with the master of revels, of course. Other ideas will follow.

[Star Shadow]

The frog

Now that's art from the Christian deckbox. I wish I could 'Revel in Riches' and double up on 4. But by dog, I'd probably get spotted from from some sharp eyed flinten waterless cabin keeper with a slightly bent, split quill pen.

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Trueyeti Hi
well you got that part right but how do you get to the End and know it ,go to the first stanza of the poem this will take you to those places in the chest at the End. Clint

[trueyeti]

Trueyeti Hi
well you got that part right but how do you get to the End and know it ,go to the first stanza of the poem this will take you to those places in the chest at the End. Clint

Hey 55,
While I was BOTG, I did not know the things I know now. My PTSD (undiagnosed at the time)...in reconnoitering had me with a metal probe at a planned area...voices approaching (because of a dead corner)....freaked me out....I hid out the whole day....because there were other people in the area....then I simply forgot. Two weeks after the recovery of the chest...I remembered the spot, then I remembered probing the soft soil and tracing a square with the probe underground...then went there with a friend and found an excavated hole, footprints, and a pile of sand with a spade mark in it. Slowly over time, other things came back to me. Remember...I had nearly been killed in my search. I didn't know that I had PTSD until after the court/trial/laid off from work for 3-months.

The full event on that day has since come back to me and "I remember now." But I was out of the chase for 23 months...when I came back into it in 2019...I was not the same....and that memory of "dinking" the chest with my metal probe had not returned....that didn't begin to happen until two weeks after the recovery of the chest, when I "partially remembered" probing that spot with the metal probe.

Anyway...in a similar fashion...now I've had time to recover, grieve, go to counseling, and sort through the events of my life....especially TTOTC.

Now...I've figured out many things regarding TTOTC IMO....one example is the first line of the poem:
If you translate the individual words "As I have gone alone in there" into Spanish....and substitute one Spanish word with "Ojo" (for I)....then you reassemble the individually translated Spanish words...back into English.....and you get "Go to the Ojo Alamo." That is one way that confirms...for me locality because the "Ojo Alamo Spring" (within Bisti), is where Richard Wetherill owned his store. Yeah, Brown...was discovered...(his home) less than a mile from the Ojo Alamo Spring....and, figures into the BOTG and the direction the poem provides....

I guess that the real answer to the thing you commented, "how do you get to the End and know it ,go to the first stanza of the poem this will take you to those places in the chest at the End," is that IMO....I did get to the end, but did not know it because I "freaked out" with approaching hikers voices as I probed (IMO the chest itself...now recognized/recalled fully), and because of unrecognized (at that time PTSD). That condition reeks havoc....I never knew until I went through it. Its still there and I've spent many years in counseling because it comes out in many ways. During my time at Bisti...because of my search methodology....I refused to "fully believe" that Forrest had buried the chest at Bisti. I tried to prove myself wrong... Now looking back....I've sorted through the doubts and there aren't any....anymore.

I have found things there at Bisti....that IMO.....Forrest left.....additional clues.....that are and aren't in the poem.....but I have kind of paused on those a bit for the moment because I'm convinced that I should focus on locality...and locality alone.....to sharpen my game there.

Damnit 55....your comment/question....really to be answered, would require me to write a book....or make a movie....I haven't reached that point...yet.... Cheers.