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[Alsetenash]

And by no means was that post just meant for you knowledge, I’m hoping several accounts here are listening to reason. I wish everyone of you closure and peace.

Ditto indeed!

[Hear me all]

My theory doesn't speak to what happened *after* the images were snapped. They only address the impossibility of transporting the chest any significant distance PRIOR to the images being taken.

If Forrest's hiding place was not near 9MH, how would we even know that the finder later took the chest there? He never said he did, nor is there any photo evidence of that. Prior to the photos of the treasure in Santa Fe, the only photos we've ever been provided were immediately post-find -- and prior to it being transported anywhere else by car.

Back the cart up for a moment. When amd where were any photos provided immediately post-find? As I recall f drug his foot and took many days to provide photos. Dal was getting upset because the whole thing was beginning to stink. Did you get photos we didn't?

[Zapster]

Back the cart up for a moment. When amd where were any photos provided immediately post-find? As I recall f drug his foot and took many days to provide photos. Dal was getting upset because the whole thing was beginning to stink. Did you get photos we didn't?

To clarify, I didn't mean that the photos were provided to us immediately -- we all know they weren't. The "immediately" referred to the timing of when the photos were taken relative to the time the chest was pulled out of the ground. So to be more clear, insert the word "taken":

"... the only photos we've ever been provided were (taken) immediately post-find..."

[TheGoldHunter]

Back the cart up for a moment. When amd where were any photos provided immediately post-find? As I recall f drug his foot and took many days to provide photos. Dal was getting upset because the whole thing was beginning to stink. Did you get photos we didn't?

"Dal was getting upset" Keep in mind had had already corresponded with Forrest about how the ending might be done and was probably suspecting it.

[Hear me all]

"Dal was getting upset" Keep in mind had had already corresponded with Forrest about how the ending might be done and was probably suspecting it.

Even though Dal knew just how weary f had grown of the Chase, he was just as stunned to learn it was over as the majority. Even though Dal spent a good portion of his life searching for Indulgence, he never believed it would be found anytime soon or that f would shut it down. Forrest was on the edge several times but was talked down each time.

[Hear me all]

To clarify, I didn't mean that the photos were provided to us immediately -- we all know they weren't. The "immediately" referred to the timing of when the photos were taken relative to the time the chest was pulled out of the ground. So to be more clear, insert the word "taken":

"... the only photos we've ever been provided were (taken) immediately post-find..."

Now I understand. Thank you for clarifying.

[Moody Chameleon]

Hey Know,
IMO, Forrest used hope as a lure to cast an adventure where the desire for the chest was the golden hook. IMO, he did not want to thwart your persistence and instead told you what you wanted to hear. Did he tell you what you wanted to hear because of your persistence? How many times did you call him? How long were the conversations? I don't know....but these questions may figure in to the equation. I mean, if you had email/voice recording/whatever...."proving" that he told you that your solve was right, then what would that really prove anyway? There are pictures of the chest taken "in-situ," but come on......those photos....are controversial, (probably staged). Add to that the disclosure of "Wyoming" which is also controversial, (probably staged), and you have an answer as to why Forrest said to you what you say that Forrest said to you.

Fish....are slippery, maybe Forrest is the slipperiest one out there. It's not fun to have hopes crushed. The grieving process involves bitterness, anger, etc....hang in there, I've been there, done that....Cheers.

Yeti,

I like what you said, how Forrest used hope as a lure. So on the cover of OUAW, do you think that little Forrest stick figure was fishing for a star, or using the golden star as bait?

I don't about you, but I bit down HARD!! This colorful fishy now realizes that there are more important things out there than being hooked, gutted down and placed on the BBQ.

So why am I here? I just feel that things aren't right about the last few years and I am sticking through to see if any epicness happens! Come on, any time now!

[Round Peg, Square Hole]

Yeti,

I like what you said, how Forrest used hope as a lure. So on the cover of OUAW, do you think that little Forrest stick figure was fishing for a star, or using the golden star as bait?

I don't about you, but I bit down HARD!! This colorful fishy now realizes that there are more important things out there than being hooked, gutted down and placed on the BBQ.

So why am I here? I just feel that things aren't right about the last few years and I am sticking through to see if any epicness happens! Come on, any time now!

ya mean a Barb'd hook and Hollowwood end lol...

[Duster]

Then Dal might know who the solver is.

[trueyeti]

Yeti,

I like what you said, how Forrest used hope as a lure. So on the cover of OUAW, do you think that little Forrest stick figure was fishing for a star, or using the golden star as bait?

I don't about you, but I bit down HARD!! This colorful fishy now realizes that there are more important things out there than being hooked, gutted down and placed on the BBQ.

So why am I here? I just feel that things aren't right about the last few years and I am sticking through to see if any epicness happens! Come on, any time now!

Hey MC,
Yeah….I’m chomping at the bit myself….IMO…your assessment is spot on. IMO, the messaging and meaning is both…”fishing for a star (as a clue), and using it as bait to lure us further by creating intrigue"…and more as well. IMO the man uses symbols as hinge-pins. They allow for the pivoting and assignment of different values…depending on the context of their use (especially when two or more symbols are put together). IMO….my assessment that follows, is a reasonable one and IMO….serves my solve. However….someone else might assess the meaning differently and at the same time exclude the consideration of the bird in the moon artwork (page 146). A piece of art can have many different interpretations. Any way for me….

You wrote: “do you think that little Forrest stick figure was fishing for a star, or using the golden star as bait?” IMO: 1. “Forrest stick figure – fishing for a star” = “relationship between the two.” 2. “Using the golden star as bait?” – “a distinct hint at something very specific = a star = the Sun.” If the “fish” is the Sun…well then there’s your barbeque….hehehe.

The discussion in that post mentions the “difference of a star,” or of one star between edition covers…IMO….the Sun is a star, the one star, our star…..and, it is “the blaze” too…..

If you look in TTOTC for the “hook,” it is hidden – IMO, it is the invisible line between the man and the risen moon on page 146, that describes again, “relationship.” The bird and the man (Forrest) are locked in a gaze with each other. IMO…this is creative license to say something…..about the relationship between the man and the bird and the moon.

IMO, this same creative license is used by Forrest in his painting of the downed aircraft that is on fire. Why?….Well….the bird and the moon both fly across the sky, but the bird doesn’t sit in the moon as it flies. In the painting, if the fire represents the Sun, then the Sun and the plane both fly across the sky, but the plane doesn’t sit in the Sun as it flies, rather it’s on the ground with the plane. Bisti has the W/M/double omega with the Sun…on the ground…..

Maybe just the same…is the cover of that book where this time the line (fishing line) - is seen and describes the relationship between the man and the star(s)/Sun, once again…with creative license.

IMO…” relationship” means that the man is in the middle of the moon and the Sun…..and the messaging is “relationship” between the moon and the Sun with respect to his solve.

If you can see this…it isn’t hard to see….then you can consider that the theme is much the same as light and darkness….black and white….duality….life and death, the end and the beginning, etc… IMO there is a strong correlation that says the moon and the Sun are what the man on page 146 and on the book cover (Forrest) is saying. At Bisti is a geographical feature that looks like a moon/rainbow and right next to it is another geological feature that looks like the bird in his drawing. IMO…these are 2 of the clues that the lines “So why is it that I must go, And leave my trove for all to seek?” are about. The bird has left the moon at Bisti(why is it that I must go)….the two are 2 of the 9 clues out there…..the bird at Bisti has left (gone) from the moon and the trove (moon in this case) is what all are seeking. IMO, Forrest sets the trove….as the nest of the “dove.” Dove/Trove. Anyway…..

In that image you are pointing to……I can also see other potential hints that correlate elsewhere: the W/M, arrow, and triangle. IMO…Forrest’s references to fishing aren’t necessarily saying that he hid his chest at a river/9MH, rather…fishing is a pointer at the “thrill” of hooking a “big one.” IMO…the fishing references are a camouflage(smoke and mirrors) that Forrest employs as one of those “hinge-pins” concepts– a symbol with different meanings, or….meaning the opposite too.

I enjoy your final paragraph and totally agree… Cheers

[Duster]

Earth in the middle!

[Suzy]

Then Dal might know who the solver is.

Not very well though.

[Goldilocks]

Alsetenash thanks for pulling up that quote. I though I had deleted most everything I posted.

I think it says a lot that so many of us are still here, whether lurking or actively talking. It says to me that enough of us feel like there is more to the story. It never made sense to me that the family didn't come out and make an official statement to the community other than Shiloh's brief written statement in the beginning. I don't accept the lawsuits as an excuse to keep quiet. Things can be said while still protecting interests. I want to hear a heartfelt, believable statement from the family that it's over as well as how and why it ended. I don't need to hear the solution to be a believer. As for Karl, I don't think he knows any more than we do. He only knows what he knows and if there is more coming, Forrest never would've told him the grand plan IMO. I know KPRO spoke with Karl recently and he said that it's over etc. That's what he believes but that doesn't mean it's true. I am still suspect of things. I am not holding out for any grand revelation from any Netflix story or Shiloh's book for that matter. I'm waiting to see what more comes out and I'll go from there.

kpro I can see from the Estate case that there was a withdrawal/substitution of counsel for Zoe on 12-15-22. Any idea who withdrew and who was replaced? I know things switched over to the appeals court. Who is representing Zoe over there?

[Spoon]

As usual, Goldilocks, there is much wisdom in your thinking/writing. The only thing I might take issue with is the notion that the family knows enough or, alternatively, is at liberty to make an official statement to know that "it's over" or why it ended. Forrest told the courts in the Erskine case (as I remember) that he and the finder signed an "Agreement of Confidentiality". I don't believe anywhere in that court statement that he said that the NDA was limited to the location or solution to the poem. If the DNA was more comprehensive - which is likely, as there are many things that might give away aspects of the location/solution - then giving details to his family would be a breach. And if his family were somehow party to the NDA (which would be very unusual), then they would not be able to tell us any more than Forrest did. I think their silence is prudent, given the circumstances.

It is truly unfortunate, but it seems that with the situation as it is, there is no one who is able to shed any light on this matter.

[Alsetenash]

Goldilocks

Ya, I'm back lurking here a bit. I had started another project just before the Find announcement. When I read about it I was just like, "oh, too bad, that was fun". But also relieved , lol. I live in Canada, so it was quite the task to go and search. After seeing all the data provided post find, such as: from FF, Jack, Dal emails and then FF passed away; I noticed some consistencies within the inconsistencies in all that. So, I took all that and put it through the grinder of my Sherlock Methodology, lol. (My gravatar). My thought was, "ok, this is another challenge-ok great", lol. Metaphorically, in one hand I had a jar of green liquid, say, in the other hand I had a jar of yellow liquid (methodologically speaking). Putting them two jars of liquid together should clarify something. Not everything but something about the ending.

My Opinion:
The one thing that is certain to me at the moment is, The Ending was planned to a tee. That I can see in the data we have available. The full circle of such data is the date of FF's death; including the data about the storied circumstances on his day of passing and the date, is Key to me. Within those is , such as: 'he wasn't there for waffles in the morning routine' and 'he was cremated'. Include all those with other relative data, such as his email exchange with Dal about ending the chase. That date is also important and so is the date of the announced Find. So, I can only strongly surmise that the ending was indeed planned. Not because of the virus, old age and the potential burden left to his family of TTOTC continuing had he passed, this would have had to be a foreplan and set in motion sometime around Dals and FF's email exchange on December 7, 2019.

I don't see anything to think that anyone mentioned: Family, Dal, or close relations ,that know much more than we do about this, less one situation only; that would Forrest Fenn's' Death and that days circumstance. Nothing more than that, other than they were close to him and they would see more of his nuances,but that's just inherent naturally within their relations. So, I recommend people just leave all these folks alone as targets directing their frustrations at to. Court cases and harassing the family is stupid ridiculous pointless.

Forrest put his hair in the jar in the chest for this "Plan B" scenario, foreplanned if he felt it (plan B) needed to be actioned; perhaps if it wasn't solved before depending on his circumstance. Whatever the circumstances he had determined would be the factor. He thought of everything. right? Why not include an alternative ending? Is the alternative ending actually a beginning? Did FF purposely create a murky ending for it to be questioned-on purpose? Those were some of my questions I had following the data. In short , my opinion for an answer is~ likely YES!. This is a long comment already, So I'll conclude here:

"Just leave my bones and take the Chest". How will one know whom them bones are? Ask a Hair if you stumbled once upon a Whole carcass with a cowboy hat and ask a Hare who is the rabbit!

I'm back lurking because of Waffles. Lol. I'm pretty much now finished with my other projects.

This is nothing more than an opinion of mine.

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