Chasing Circles

[starwheel]

THE PREFACE. Page 4 Forrest says:

"This is my NINTH book in TWENTY SIX years. The alphabet has 26 letters of which 'I' is 9. Within the poem there are five capital 'I's which appear alone in Stanzas 1, 5 and 6.
This suggests that a simple substitution cipher is in play. To confirm this use the number 9 in place of these 'I's and read these five lines in this way:

"As 9 have gone alone in there
9 can keep my secret where
So why is it that 9 must go
The answers 9 already know
9 give you title to the gold"

To understand it fully I returned to the color angles of the rainbow which gives RED @ 42 degrees and BLUE @ 40 degrees. If we relate these numbers to temperature degrees also then RED would be HOT and BLUE would be COLD. Stanza 6 Line 2 says: "Your effort will be worth THE COLD" Suggesting that the BLUE COLD ANGLE of the rainbow will be worth our effort namely 40 degrees.

Now let us think PIE ( pi ) the formula for finding the circumference of a CIRCLE, and also PIE as in PIE CHART and apply it to: "As 9 have gone alone in there"
There is only one 9 letter word in the poem and that is TREASURES and a circle can be divided into 9 segments using 40 degrees, and the word TREASURES can be written into it as below:

Notice AU appears at letter numbers 4 and 6, AU relates to Gold in the Periodic Table. Now relate 4 and 6 as 46 in association with Galaxies
and you will see that 46 relates to LEO which is Forrest's birth sign, his birthday is AUgust 22 and August is the only month which begins with AU for Gold and 22 relates to the number of beads in his Silver Bracelet. If you read back from 6 to 4 you will see USA.
If you follow this it seems quite clear to me that "The answers 9 already know" is that the Gold is in a CIRCLE. IMO anyway.

[Rose Livingstone]

THE PREFACE. Page 4 Forrest says:

"This is my NINTH book in TWENTY SIX years. The alphabet has 26 letters of which 'I' is 9. Within the poem there are five capital 'I's which appear alone in Stanzas 1, 5 and 6.
This suggests that a simple substitution cipher is in play. To confirm this use the number 9 in place of these 'I's and read these five lines in this way:

"As 9 have gone alone in there
9 can keep my secret where
So why is it that 9 must go
The answers 9 already know
9 give you title to the gold"

To understand it fully I returned to the color angles of the rainbow which gives RED @ 42 degrees and BLUE @ 40 degrees. If we relate these numbers to temperature degrees also then RED would be HOT and BLUE would be COLD. Stanza 6 Line 2 says: "Your effort will be worth THE COLD" Suggesting that the BLUE COLD ANGLE of the rainbow will be worth our effort namely 40 degrees.

Now let us think PIE ( pi ) the formula for finding the circumference of a CIRCLE, and also PIE as in PIE CHART and apply it to: "As 9 have gone alone in there"
There is only one 9 letter word in the poem and that is TREASURES and a circle can be divided into 9 segments using 40 degrees, and the word TREASURES can be written into it as below:

Notice AU appears at letter numbers 4 and 6, AU relates to Gold in the Periodic Table. Now relate 4 and 6 as 46 in association with Galaxies
and you will see that 46 relates to LEO which is Forrest's birth sign, his birthday is AUgust 22 and August is the only month which begins with AU for Gold and 22 relates to the number of beads in his Silver Bracelet. If you read back from 6 to 4 you will see USA.
If you follow this it seems quite clear to me that "The answers 9 already know" is that the Gold is in a CIRCLE. IMO anyway.

I just don’t get why you’re cherry picking results. By what criteria are you choosing random numbers and letters and assigning them meaning?
Why not substitute the “I” for an “S” since you’ve used the “cipher” of treasures? Why put a number that doesn’t make sense into a poem of letters when you could put another letter and have all but ‘sgive’ make more sense than a nine (assuming Sal also somehow makes sense). And what do the colors have to do with the treasure cipher wheel? Aren’t we looking at two completely different things? Why go to the constellations or the periodic table? Why discount # 8 Auriga (O), #22 Chameleon (Ti), # 40 Hercules (Zr), # 42 Hydra (Mo), Leo Minor (Ag), Taurus (Au), or Triangulum Australie (Pb)? Why not convert ‘treasures’ to their alphabet order number and then add or subtract or multiply and reduce from those the 1-9 assigned numbers? Why not go to the Oxford Dictionary and count out the 9th word after or before each word in the poem? Why not go with the Hz frequencies of colors instead of some poor gematria? You could even divide those Hz frequencies by Pi and then see if they match up to coordinates in Beowulf. Or multiply them by the mean cubit. Or find out the barometric pressure differential between the day F was born and the day he died and then plot that into a Viking map. Why cherry pick for no reasoning?
I just don’t get it. Make it make sense.

[fallingrock]

we should coin a new phrase

[sally]

starwheel - i think your posts are fascinating! it's just a case of the school board mocking the brightest star in the class because they have no shine of their own.

[Spoon]

I just don’t get why you’re cherry picking results. By what criteria are you choosing random numbers and letters and assigning them meaning?

It's a very good question, Rose Livingstone . I've yet to see a proposed solution that wasn't cherry-picking. It's easy to see why it happened. The poem is (seemingly) ambiguous, lending itself to myriad interpretations, and at the same time we have a veritable tome of material to draw inferences from. Here's perhaps a better question: If the poem is so ambiguous, what would be a proper way of discerning the correct solving approach*?

* Assuming the author developed a good puzzle. If he didn't, then there's hardly a point to this whole exercise.

[starwheel]

starwheel - i think your posts are fascinating! it's just a case of the school board mocking the brightest star in the class because they have no shine of their own.

sally Thank you, I appreciate your comment. I don't worry about the complainers I do my school homework and it takes a lot. Forrest did say "You're gonna have to work at it"

[trueyeti]

It's a very good question, Rose Livingstone . I've yet to see a proposed solution that wasn't cherry-picking. It's easy to see why it happened. The poem is (seemingly) ambiguous, lending itself to myriad interpretations, and at the same time we have a veritable tome of material to draw inferences from. Here's perhaps a better question: If the poem is so ambiguous, what would be a proper way of discerning the correct solving approach*?

* Assuming the author developed a good puzzle. If he didn't, then there's hardly a point to this whole exercise.

Hey Spoon,
If you go to the chapter where the poem appears and read about the treasure chest, is that “cherry picking?” If you read the poem in that chapter, is that “cherry picking?” If there are specific facts that connect the poem and the chapter to a specific locality….. is that “cherry picking?” Do you think that the phrase “cherry picking” describes “the winning solve?” If you answer "yes" to any of these question, then the "cherry picking" is yours. Cheers.

[Spoon]

Rose Livingstone and Spoon

Both are very good questions. I think one needs to solve the riddle that is the good puzzle. Well ... said another way, I think f said it's the one thing that no one has thought of or some such verbiage. lol

And where would one find said riddle?

[Spoon]

Plain sight?

I see, you not only look for riddles but you speak in them

[Spoon]

You would have no respect for me in the morning if I give it to you this evening.

Ah, I see that you slyly turned the conversation back around to cherry-picking.

[trueyeti]

Hey,
Yeah-yeah-yeah….About them riddles and the CIA, the Trickster and the Magician….

Nicholas Cage line from “The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent” : “Strange thing is, I could see myself doing more of this stuff, you know spy-craft, subterfuge…what have you…”

Some people would NOT make good agents at all…Cheers.

[starwheel]

NO CODES OR CHIPHERS if it were the case it would have been solved in a year or two.

Knowledge The cipher is simple and is there to confirm things, have you tried it yourself? This is only a small part of the puzzle, there are many parts to it. Do you understand the meaning of ALPHA and OMEGA? Or the importance of the word RAINBOW?. What about the two OMEGAS in relation to it?
ALPHA adds up to 38 and OMEGA adds up to 41 and 38 + 41 adds up to 79 it represents GOLD, which is what we are seeking.
In the first found chest pic the stick has T I I on it which is 38, and the word KEY adds up to 41, which are ALPHA and OMEGA and they are placed over GOLD.

When I can read something from you that shows you understand any of this puzzle, then I will read it with interest.
Your name choice on this forum aptly suits you for that role.

[starwheel]

Treasure II

fflegacy And how would that help you in something that is a puzzle? You cannot take one part and ignore the second.

[Misconstrued]

THE PREFACE. Page 4 Forrest says:

"This is my NINTH book in TWENTY SIX years. The alphabet has 26 letters of which 'I' is 9. Within the poem there are five capital 'I's which appear alone in Stanzas 1, 5 and 6.
This suggests that a simple substitution cipher is in play. To confirm this use the number 9 in place of these 'I's and read these five lines in this way:

"As 9 have gone alone in there
9 can keep my secret where
So why is it that 9 must go
The answers 9 already know
9 give you title to the gold"

To understand it fully I returned to the color angles of the rainbow which gives RED @ 42 degrees and BLUE @ 40 degrees. If we relate these numbers to temperature degrees also then RED would be HOT and BLUE would be COLD. Stanza 6 Line 2 says: "Your effort will be worth THE COLD" Suggesting that the BLUE COLD ANGLE of the rainbow will be worth our effort namely 40 degrees.

Now let us think PIE ( pi ) the formula for finding the circumference of a CIRCLE, and also PIE as in PIE CHART and apply it to: "As 9 have gone alone in there"
There is only one 9 letter word in the poem and that is TREASURES and a circle can be divided into 9 segments using 40 degrees, and the word TREASURES can be written into it as below:

Notice AU appears at letter numbers 4 and 6, AU relates to Gold in the Periodic Table. Now relate 4 and 6 as 46 in association with Galaxies
and you will see that 46 relates to LEO which is Forrest's birth sign, his birthday is AUgust 22 and August is the only month which begins with AU for Gold and 22 relates to the number of beads in his Silver Bracelet. If you read back from 6 to 4 you will see USA.
If you follow this it seems quite clear to me that "The answers 9 already know" is that the Gold is in a CIRCLE. IMO anyway.

How does a redneck have any shot at solving the poem? That seems pretty over cooked if you ask me.

[starwheel]

How does a redneck have any shot at solving the poem? That seems pretty over cooked if you ask me.

Misconstrued. It's called marketing, he wanted everyone to think they had a chance, which they did have. I think you are being unkind to rednecks, are you doubting their intelligence?