Praying for D's (directions?)

[shyorphan]

Too many deep thinkers. Forrest said keep it simple (KISS). Few listened.

[Walker]

Too many deep thinkers. Forrest said keep it simple (KISS). Few listened.

I think maybe there's a misunderstanding here.
Here are the two relevant quotes, and the only two that I can find.

"Some searchers overrate the complexity of the search. Knowing about head pressures, foot pounds, acre feet, bible verses, Latin, cubic inches, icons, fonts, charts, graphs, formulas, curved lines, magnetic variation, codes, depth meters, riddles, drones or ciphers, will not assist anyone to the treasure location, although those things have been offered as positive solutions. Excellent research materials are TTOTC, Google Earth, and/or a good map. f"

"There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f"

Both are at this link:

https://mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-fenn-poem-facts/

However, I seem to remember Forrest saying something like "Please don't overbake (or overcook) my poem", somewhere. But I'm not sure about that at all. It might be another searcher's misinterpretation.
Context is always important, too. And I don't have that with this vague memory.

I also want to point out that the clues in the poem are a different thing than the hints in the books, scrapbooks, etc.

If all of this was simple, I think the treasure would have been found within the first few years.

[shyorphan]

I think maybe there's a misunderstanding here.
Here are the two relevant quotes, and the only two that I can find.

"Some searchers overrate the complexity of the search. Knowing about head pressures, foot pounds, acre feet, bible verses, Latin, cubic inches, icons, fonts, charts, graphs, formulas, curved lines, magnetic variation, codes, depth meters, riddles, drones or ciphers, will not assist anyone to the treasure location, although those things have been offered as positive solutions. Excellent research materials are TTOTC, Google Earth, and/or a good map. f"

"There are a few words in the poem that are not useful in finding the treasure Phil, but it is risky to discount any of them. You over simplify the clues. There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts. f"

Both are at this link:

https://mysteriouswritings.com/forrest-fenn-poem-facts/

However, I seem to remember Forrest saying something like "Please don't overbake (or overcook) my poem", somewhere. But I'm not sure about that at all. It might be another searcher's misinterpretation.
Context is always important, too. And I don't have that with this vague memory.

I also want to point out that the clues in the poem are a different thing than the hints in the books, scrapbooks, etc.

If all of this was simple, I think the treasure would have been found within the first few years.

It’s simple but not easy. There is a difference. Remember he always said the only thing needed to solve the poem was TToTC, Google Earth and/or a good map. That’s it. That is a major hint about how to solve the poem. Anything extraneous to those things will not help.

As an aside I keep wondering if he pulled the plug to hide his solve because he reassured people they did not need the book to figure it out. Technically true but would have been highly unlikely without getting the book. Jack never solved it yet Forrest stated he left it up to the solver to divulge. Interesting conundrum.

[Walker]

It’s simple but not easy. There is a difference. Remember he always said the only thing needed to solve the poem was TToTC, Google Earth and/or a good map. That’s it. That is a major hint about how to solve the poem. Anything extraneous to those things will not help.

As an aside I keep wondering if he pulled the plug to hide his solve because he reassured people they did not need the book to figure it out. Technically true but would have been highly unlikely without getting the book. Jack never solved it yet Forrest stated he left it up to the solver to divulge. Interesting conundrum.

Maybe that's how Jack solved it (poem only), with the help of a couple of mistakes, and that's why he doesn't really have much to say?

[sally]

Maybe that's how Jack solved it (poem only), with the help of a couple of mistakes, and that's why he doesn't really have much to say?

"Jack" did not solve the poem. All he did was cause a train wreck as a Temporal diversion.

[sally]

Too many deep thinkers. Forrest said keep it simple (KISS). Few listened.

Speak for yourself.

https://earthsky.org/tonight/bright-planets-west-after-sunset-venus-and-jupiter-conjunction-feb-mar-2023/

[shyorphan]

Maybe that's how Jack solved it (poem only), with the help of a couple of mistakes, and that's why he doesn't really have much to say?

John “Jack” did not solve the poem. Not even close. It’s something that can’t be faked which is why he never has or will say anything substantial about anything. He was hired to resolve a problem Fenn had. Forrest was the author of this ending.

[shyorphan]

I recall f saying his poem led the finder to the spot

What else was he supposed to say? “Jack” admitted he didn’t solve all of the clues and that he grid searched a football field or larger area to find it. Never happened imo and there is no direct evidence it happened other than their cover story. No pictures to corroborate. Nothing more than a narrative.

[shyorphan]

with your logic anyone can believe anything they want regardless of evidence.

there are pics of jack and fenn w the chest, nothing else is really required, that’s the hard evidence nobody else has.

If fenn said he hid it and we believed him
we should also accept when he said it was found
and he took pics w jack and the chest, it’s official

You’re still just buying the narrative. Direct evidence doesn’t exist. Nothing you were given is proof Jack solved the poem or was ever in possession of the chest. You may believe it but it’s not proof. Forrest did not shy away from selling counterfeit art. A counterfeit ending wouldn’t bother him either imo since it was his (art) to control.

[Spoon]

May I interject something in this debate between willynilly and shyorphan? If we are to believe the things that Forrest said (i.e. "if Fenn said he hit it and we believed him..."), then why wouldn't we also believe his statements that the only way to find the chest was to solve the clues in the poem? Jack's tale gives a different rendition. He told us that he searched a large area many times until he found it, and that was based upon a supposed slip-up in Fenn's words that gave away where Fenn wanted to be buried. That doesn't sound like the only way to find it was to solve the clues in the poem. You can't hold to trusting all the things that Forrest told us while at the same time accepting Jack's story as authentic. The two simply don't mesh.

[sally]

Narrative or not, this is official and would stand in court
nothing else will

So willynilly, you are such a proponent of 'official' versions, tell me - In who's court do we stand and ask "Show me Denarius"?

[Space Hopper]

What else was he supposed to say? “Jack” admitted he didn’t solve all of the clues and that he grid searched a football field or larger area to find it. Never happened imo and there is no direct evidence it happened other than their cover story. No pictures to corroborate. Nothing more than a narrative.

The clues led him to the spot. This could mean the clues led him to get on a plane and in turn found the spot.

Like willynilly said, the proof f and Jack provided will stand up in court, and has done.

[Sirius B]

Red pill thoughts: This is a new type of performance art. Jack and Fenn are both actors. They have been following a script. Dates and times are significant to the real solve because in reality, all the rest of it is fake. "Hollywood" people are involved, obviously. "The poem" is a red herring designed to keep people from asking the right question: who wrote the script and why?

[sally]

The court of the people of thor lol

Step inside. LOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah

[Sirius B]

If I believed my own biases and not the evidence shown I would
be on board with this

That's the rub. I'm an old guy though, and willing to learn new tricks, but the null hypothesis always rides in my posse. Keeps me from getting trapped in box canyon when the deception turns out to be intentional. I'm especially wary of la tierra de atrapamiento (that's a NM joke, folks, that the locals will have no problem understanding). In movies, the deception is clearly intentional. We're ready for it. We grant the actors our willing suspension of disbelief, in order to be entertained. That's why we love Harrison Ford, after all, he piloted the Millennium Falcon^tm right? Sort of. Saved the [email protected]#in' universe! Right? The Ark of the Covenant! Yeah. It gets real slippery, real quick, don't it?

So consider "the poem will lead you right to the spot" in the following context. We are Rocky and Mugsy, and Fenn is Bugs.

So "the Poem" is where Bugs is telling us to search, and after 12+ years, we're all ready to go with Clancy in the Paddy Wagon to Sing Sing.. So you tell me.