This is what I believe.

[Rose Livingstone]

For Pete's sake Rose! F told us he was dumber than a post about a hundred times. If he did that, do you think he would create something only exceptional minds could decode? The exceptional minds had 10 years and never made progress. Simple thoughts got one further than they knew.

Sun Tsu taught me to be more suspicious of the humble and meek than the bombastic and threatening.
Of course, if we knew the hoB we could go right peshat to it, but I think many of us curious types prefer to wade through the sod and mud. Who doesn’t like a good mud wraslin’ while trying to find the (bright orange) black box?

[Zapster]

Hear me all: First off, Forrest was no dolt. Grades in high school mean next to nothing. Judge the man by his military, business and literary accomplishments, not his grade school report cards. Successful entrepreneurs like Forrest, Bill Gates (and others less famous) prove that college degrees aren't everything.

So no: the treasure wasn't hidden at the first clue. Searchers were digging up outhouses for god's sake because of "home of Brown" -- not exactly the last clue in the poem. You are proposing that of all the people clever enough to figure out the starting point, they were simultaneously TOO smart to consider that the start was the end -- in spite of the Little Gidding quote? I'm sorry, but smart people are brighter than that.

[Hear me all]

Hear me all: First off, Forrest was no dolt. Grades in high school mean next to nothing. Judge the man by his military, business and literary accomplishments, not his grade school report cards. Successful entrepreneurs like Forrest, Bill Gates (and others less famous) prove that college degrees aren't everything.

So no: the treasure wasn't hidden at the first clue. Searchers were digging up outhouses for god's sake because of "home of Brown" -- not exactly the last clue in the poem. You are proposing that of all the people clever enough to figure out the starting point, they were simultaneously TOO smart to consider that the start was the end -- in spite of the Little Gidding quote? I'm sorry, but smart people are brighter than that.

This hunt proved that they refused to consider the one important possibility.

If f had told us that knowledge was more important, bragged about his smarts, said history or all of the other genius ideas were needed then that would have been the approach searchers needed to take. If a man says no tricks and writes on a childish level which he said was a compliment then you may have over estimated the challenge and been fooled by a fox who knew that Street Smarts were more valuable than higher education..

Searchers routinely ignored f's advice and he routinely suggested they go back to the first clue over and over. He didn't do that to screw with searchers, he was trying to get them to use the most basic thinking skills to see what he had done. Of course human nature will ignore the obvious and he was well aware of that. Searchers routinely overestimated him and got nowhere fast.

[Spallies]

. You are proposing that of all the people clever enough to figure out the starting point, they were simultaneously TOO smart to consider that the start was the end -- in spite of the Little Gidding quote? I'm sorry, but smart people are brighter than that.[/QUOTE]

Maybe we begin it at the start... you know the one and only "as I have gone alone"...

[Zapster]

It would be fine if the start point was remote and few searchers (or anyone else) were ever there. That's not the case with my (and HMA's) WWWH. LITERALLY millions of people pass right by that spot each year, a ton of tourists stop there, and plenty of Fenn searchers did in 10 years. If the treasure had been there, they ALL were within 20 feet, not just 200 or 500.

[Hear me all]

It's the most obvious and simple things that cause people to declare, "why didn't I think of that" after it's over. Searchers had how many years to pursue how many genius ideas that never worked? Use an ounce of reason folks. F told us all the clues had been figured out but not in the right order. They refused to come back to beginning.

I strongly believe that one reason f and Jack didn't want the solution revealed is because of the severe angst it would cause some who would question themselves as to how they could have been so close and had zero critical thinking skills when given so much good information. They were aware of those who took their lives because they perceived themselves as failures in this endeavor.

Forrest told us early on that he learned an important lesson to tell the truth just not ALL of the truth. if you seriiosly thought he would tell searchers how close they had been, you factored wrong. It was a prize of considerable value not a doorprize. You had to use basic logic to figure it out while the rest of the search community was running around like chickens with no sense of direction.

[Zapster]

Hear me all : I refute your northwest YNP entrance hiding location theory thusly:

Cynthia: “Is the chest hidden in a very isolated location?”
FF: “Well, I just answered that.”
Cynthia: “Exactly, yes. You want to, um, expound…?”
FF: “The treasure is hidden where a person would not normally go. I guess you could call that an isolated location, yeah.”

[AaBbCcDdEeFf]

Hear me all : I refute your northwest YNP entrance hiding location theory thusly:

Cynthia: “Is the chest hidden in a very isolated location?”
FF: “Well, I just answered that.”
Cynthia: “Exactly, yes. You want to, um, expound…?”
FF: “The treasure is hidden where a person would not normally go. I guess you could call that an isolated location, yeah.”

How many people make an outing out of going to the entrance of a Park? Nobody that I know of. So in a sense it's not a place a person would normally go. It's not a typical destination for a trip.

[Zapster]

How many people make an outing out of going to the entrance of a Park? Nobody that I know of. So in a sense it's not a place a person would normally go. It's not a typical destination for a trip.

Hundreds of people take selfies or pictures in front of Yellowstone National Park entrance signs every year, so these are definitely places people "normally go." It's irrelevant that it's not their final destination or even the reason for their trip. It's enough that they actually stop there and get out of their car and document the occasion.

[trueyeti]

It's the most obvious and simple things that cause people to declare, "why didn't I think of that" after it's over. Searchers had how many years to pursue how many genius ideas that never worked? Use an ounce of reason folks. F told us all the clues had been figured out but not in the right order. They refused to come back to beginning.

I strongly believe that one reason f and Jack didn't want the solution revealed is because of the severe angst it would cause some who would question themselves as to how they could have been so close and had zero critical thinking skills when given so much good information. They were aware of those who took their lives because they perceived themselves as failures in this endeavor.

Forrest told us early on that he learned an important lesson to tell the truth just not ALL of the truth. if you seriiosly thought he would tell searchers how close they had been, you factored wrong. It was a prize of considerable value not a doorprize. You had to use basic logic to figure it out while the rest of the search community was running around like chickens with no sense of direction.

Hey Hear,
Can you provide the Forrest quote (finding) that supports your claim, "F told us all the clues had been figured out but not in the right order." If you can provide the quote, it would make the claim credible. Regarding chickens and directions....have you heard the one, "Which direction did the chicken cross the road?" Cheers.

[Zapster]

Hey Hear,
Can you provide the Forrest quote (finding) that supports your claim, "F told us all the clues had been figured out but not in the right order." If you can provide the quote, it would make the claim credible. Regarding chickens and directions....have you heard the one, "Which direction did the chicken cross the road?" Cheers.

From the context of Forrest's statement, he doesn't come out and say that anyone had figured out all nine clues, let alone figured them out in the correct order. Here is my transcript of Forrest's answer from "The Lure" post-screening Q&A (5/18/2017):

Q: “Has anyone determined the nine clues and what they represent?”

FF: “Well, there’s about 250,000 people that think they have. And, uh, I don’t know that anybody has … has … has told me the clues in the right order. I think that part of the problem is they don’t … they don’t focus on the first clue. If you don’t know where the first clue is, you might as well stay home because you’re not … you’re not going to find the treasure chest. You can’t go out looking for the blaze and expect to find the treasure chest. There’s ten billion blazes out there. So you have to start with the first clue and let it take you to the blaze.”

[Not4but242Walk]

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"So you have to start with the first clue and let it take you to the blaze."

[Spoon]

You gotta love the way people can twist the words in that poem to make them mean whatever they want them to mean.

[Tornado]

You gotta love the way people can twist the words in that poem to make them mean whatever the want them to mean.

Yps sir M8.
As we rose
Nose to nose
As it was.. .
And so it is... .

[Hear me all]

I know some folks whom have been working on The Lost Dutchman Mine-Suoerstitious Mountains thing. They had sent me stuff on it and asked me if I'd be interested in looking at it. They sent me the stone pictures you mentioned. See attachments.

If you can fathom/believe/understand "Portals" , the Natives are well aware of them (think Geronimo) there. You'll walk through [them] the one without knowing you did. But you have to know where the portal is, hence the blind fold. Those observing from a distance wouldsee you seemingly disappear , but to you from your perspective, and those with you, you won't notice a shift. There's generally only one path in to through in through back again. Portals are space/time shorting of distance in regards to these types. That's why it hasn't been found. There's nothing random about access; your Vibration Frequency must be a match. This is what my Shaman friend told me about Portals. Forrest did speak of his "Portal" at his house remember? It's where he put that old Bell on a Kiva Pole in his back yard. Rings once means this.....twice...this....third .....this, it's in a scrapbook.

The Natives know of Portals but there locations are mostly forgotten. It's a bit dangerous there at the Suoerstitious mountains. There's a good YouTube video from a local guide on that area specifically.

Have fun!

F's portal that Shiloh had shoveled was in the shape of a U/rainbow/beard/omega, jawline of teeth,arc, etc.. His hints weren't deep.