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  • #61
    Originally posted by Tim (ZosoRocks) View Post

    "If you don't have a picture of you holding or handling the chest or its contents, then the find never happened for you." - Toby Younis

    This is a great factual statement in all that it includes.

    It is telling. It is truthful...it shows progression.

    If one does not have this specific requirement nailed down...how is it that an "admiration chest" is given by someone other than Forrest?

    "Here is your participation ttophy." I doubt this..

    Please explain yourself.

    Now...if Karl knows the answers to the solution AND knows who solved the Poem....then what is hold up if this can be done by his action? Is he being selfish? Is he ensuring one must physically travel to the location and retrieve?

    IS this even possible if the narrative already states the chest is gone?

    Out of all of these subjective reasons - one must be true.

    Thanks.
    Tim
    Subjectively the last one

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Sarah Seedling View Post

      Subjectively the last one
      That didn't explain anything relating to an "admiration chest" you mentioned.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by voxpops View Post

        Zap, I think he's simply quibbling about your grammar. It seems unnecessary as I understood what you were saying, and I suspect most people did - including OP.
        Hi voxpops : Hmm. There was no grammatical error or ambiguity in what I originally wrote, as far as I can tell. I don't make grammatical errors.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Tim (ZosoRocks) View Post

          That didn't explain anything relating to an "admiration chest" you mentioned.
          Exactly suinej

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          • #65
            Originally posted by WindyCityRambler View Post
            Hello. I'm sorry if this has been discussed and I just missed it but these two statements are contradictory and seem to indicate that Forrest intentionally lied:

            6/16/20 "but the poem in my book led him to the precise spot." - Forrest Fenn
            9/23/20 Medium post: "I figured out the location where he wished to die (and thus, where his treasure was) back in 2018, but it took me many months to figure out the exact spot." - Finder

            Has this been discussed somewhere I can watch/read about? Everyone generally agrees that FF is incredibly careful and deliberate with his words so I can't believe that in his written statement about the treasure being found he just made an error. Do most folks agree he lied about the poem leading the finder to the treasure? Am I missing something?

            Thanks in advance!
            6/16/20 - This statement is not a lie if the referenced "finder" was the finder of the spot, and did not refer to Jack. The definition and intended meaning of "treasure" may be important as well.

            9/23/20 Medium Post - Who cares what this guy says?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by elperro View Post

              6/16/20 - This statement is not a lie if the referenced "finder" was the finder of the spot, and did not refer to Jack. The definition and intended meaning of "treasure" may be important as well.

              9/23/20 Medium Post - Who cares what this guy says?
              The truth is the poem was not solved by the finder the receiver or Mr retriever. Forrest was told one thing and found out real fast, it was not true. If we did not have so many people pushing their solutions that are wrong they might just see. I can't understand how anyone would think Forrest waited ten years, and somehow missed telling the person who solved it. Ask Jack, as he looked at that area trying to understand the real solution, what happened. He sure did not show to Forrest, did he? I answer that, NO. People want it to be in Yellowstone or where ever they think their solution is. They are all wrong as were the finders. People are looking for a HOLE in the ground and you can't see, the artwork that was the chase.

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              • #67
                Forrest fell on a sword for the finders and so did the solver, they have nothing to give, they even gave and took it back, because no one F N cares. The truth of the chase. Now everyone fight over the solution and the girls and see who wins.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Knowledge View Post

                  The truth is the poem was not solved by the finder the receiver or Mr retriever. Forrest was told one thing and found out real fast, it was not true. If we did not have so many people pushing their solutions that are wrong they might just see. I can't understand how anyone would think Forrest waited ten years, and somehow missed telling the person who solved it. Ask Jack, as he looked at that area trying to understand the real solution, what happened. He sure did not show to Forrest, did he? I answer that, NO. People want it to be in Yellowstone or where ever they think their solution is. They are all wrong as were the finders. People are looking for a HOLE in the ground and you can't see, the artwork that was the chase.
                  Don't waste your time asking Jack anything, IMO.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Knowledge View Post

                    The truth is the poem was not solved by the finder the receiver or Mr retriever. Forrest was told one thing and found out real fast, it was not true. If we did not have so many people pushing their solutions that are wrong they might just see. I can't understand how anyone would think Forrest waited ten years, and somehow missed telling the person who solved it. Ask Jack, as he looked at that area trying to understand the real solution, what happened. He sure did not show to Forrest, did he? I answer that, NO. People want it to be in Yellowstone or where ever they think their solution is. They are all wrong as were the finders. People are looking for a HOLE in the ground and you can't see, the artwork that was the chase.
                    Like my pappy would say “they don’t know they a** from a hole in the ground”

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by mountain digger
                      I'd like to think f believed searchers are/were smart enough to understand the poem had no subterfuge, the clues are in the poem, the book contained scattered hints, the clues lead precisely to the end of his rainbow and treasure, and anything beyond may be whoppers, subterfuge, and otherwise entertaining fennutiae. I've enjoyed fennutiae for over a decade now and I still don't confuse it with where to focus my treasure hunting attention ... but it sure takes thinking.
                      Put me in your not "smart enough" category, then, on all counts.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by WindyCityRambler View Post
                        Hello. I'm sorry if this has been discussed and I just missed it but these two statements are contradictory and seem to indicate that Forrest intentionally lied:

                        6/16/20 "but the poem in my book led him to the precise spot." - Forrest Fenn
                        9/23/20 Medium post: "I figured out the location where he wished to die (and thus, where his treasure was) back in 2018, but it took me many months to figure out the exact spot." - Finder

                        Has this been discussed somewhere I can watch/read about? Everyone generally agrees that FF is incredibly careful and deliberate with his words so I can't believe that in his written statement about the treasure being found he just made an error. Do most folks agree he lied about the poem leading the finder to the treasure? Am I missing something?

                        Thanks in advance!
                        Many people look at Forrest different. A lot of people thinks he lied occasionally. Me on the other hand I believe he was ambiguous but always honest.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Sarah Seedling View Post

                          Exactly suinej
                          I guess you are one of those individuals who will always say things that avoids supporting the previois claims you make.

                          Yep.......you are clearly a "suinej"....

                          You are better off with just not writing anything.

                          *sighs*
                          Tim

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                          • #73
                            Ok, _______g

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by FlyFishBrown View Post

                              “You won’t happen upon it - F”
                              Forrest also used careful, precise wording. “No place for the meek
                              Jack said it was in the safest place it could be.

                              If you look up the word meek. It is defined as “quiet, gentle, easily imposed upon; submissive.”

                              All these statements scream restricted area. A place YNP says is a “no go”. Certainly not NMH, as it’s not restricted at all. But several areas on the Firehole are indeed restricted. No fishing or treading there. Sure makes you wonder….
                              Hey FFB,
                              Dictionary Smictionary.... The architect is a master trickster. IMO, one can get lost in the "definition," especially inside of a riddle....which is like a "maze/labyrinth." So while quibbling about the "word," the substance of a definition can set one to be hopelessly lost inside the maze.... where the Minotaur awaits to devour the one who cannot find the string.

                              IMO.... "From there it's no place for the meek" is a riddle in itself. IMO and for my location, the Bisti "Badlands" are no place for the meek. See, the "Badlands" are a seldom explored area by the masses. It takes bravery to "boldly go" (treasures bold) into an area such as that. Heck.... they named it the "Badlands" for a reason. You need to be "bold" if you've not the experience of trekking into such a formidable place such as that.....hell, that place fits an excellent answer to the riddle of "it's no place for the meek." Meek and brave and bold oh my....the riddle of the poem.... IMO.... uses operating metaphors that do indeed depart from the verbatim definition given by the dictionary for a "word."

                              Remember when Forrest answered the question about the blaze being a single object.... he said "In a word, Yes." But what is in a "word" when his answer is a "riddle." Are we to go and look up the definition of the word "yes" in the dictionary and thereby loose the string through the maze and be devoured by the Minotaur? No thanks. I will take many....if not all of the words/sentences/etc....in the poem and in what he said.... as riddles in and of themselves. Cheers.

                              PS. IMO.... anything coming from the finder or the Forrest camp since the treasure was recovered should be viewed with a high degree of skepticism. Cheers again.
                              Last edited by trueyeti; 08-05-2022, 12:22 PM.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by trueyeti View Post

                                Hey FFB,
                                Dictionary Smictionary.... The architect is a master trickster. IMO, one can get lost in the "definition," especially inside of a riddle....which is like a "maze/labyrinth." So while quibbling about the "word," the substance of a definition can set one to be hopelessly lost inside the maze.... where the Minotaur awaits to devour the one who cannot find the string.

                                IMO.... "From there it's no place for the meek" is a riddle in itself. IMO and for my location, the Bisti "Badlands" are no place for the meek. See, the "Badlands" are a seldom explored area by the masses. It takes bravery to "boldly go" (treasures bold) into an area such as that. Heck.... they named it the "Badlands" for a reason. You need to be "bold" if you've not the experience of trekking into such a formidable place such as that.....hell, that place fits an excellent answer to the riddle of "it's no place for the meek." Meek and brave and bold oh my....the riddle of the poem.... IMO.... uses operating metaphors that do indeed depart from the verbatim definition given by the dictionary for a "word."

                                Remember when Forrest answered the question about the blaze being a single object.... he said "In a word, Yes." But what is in a "word" when his answer is a "riddle." Are we to go and look up the definition of the word "yes" in the dictionary and thereby loose the string through the maze and be devoured by the Minotaur? No thanks. I will take many....if not all of the words/sentences/etc....in the poem and in what he said.... as riddles in and of themselves. Cheers.

                                PS. IMO.... anything coming from the finder or the Forrest camp since the treasure was recovered should be viewed with a high degree of skepticism. Cheers again.
                                Skepticism, why do yo say that

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