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  • #31
    Originally posted by WindyCityRambler View Post
    Hello. I'm sorry if this has been discussed and I just missed it but these two statements are contradictory and seem to indicate that Forrest intentionally lied:

    6/16/20 "but the poem in my book led him to the precise spot." - Forrest Fenn
    9/23/20 Medium post: "I figured out the location where he wished to die (and thus, where his treasure was) back in 2018, but it took me many months to figure out the exact spot." - Finder

    Has this been discussed somewhere I can watch/read about? Everyone generally agrees that FF is incredibly careful and deliberate with his words so I can't believe that in his written statement about the treasure being found he just made an error. Do most folks agree he lied about the poem leading the finder to the treasure? Am I missing something?

    Thanks in advance!
    What defines a lie? If one part of a statement is false is it all false? Does that make the statement a lie? If 55 percent of the statement is true does that make it true?My definition of a lie is when the root of the statement can no longer be determined correctly than it is a lie. Embellishments constitute a lie in my opinion and The Forrest Fenn who wrote the books made it clear that he likes to embellish.

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    • #32
      Did FF lie?

      In a word, no

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      • #33
        Originally posted by steve66 View Post

        Look, if I give you my address so you can visit me, that's inaccurate, house number 17 has 2 entrances and 8 apartments. In fact, the bell button is exactly at 44.52250433/-147.46454335 on 4022.2 feet - but do I have to tell you that exactly? No, number 17 is enough and you will press exactly the right bell. No lie.
        Geographically, that’s a very large expanse of sea. Much more than most people would attempt to visually search. That’s the principal reason why Forrest’s father was involved. He educated Forrest to always remember the address of a small plot of land, called Temple, Texas. Of course, Tony Bennett taught Forrest the meaning of reveries and the reason why you have to answer the phone when it’s ringing.

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        • #34
          Barbs claims he lies, and that makes her the solver, apparently.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Old Pilot

            Do you actually believe that when Forrest was a young boy, a horseman -- without a word to Forrest, no less -- walked over to him and slugged him in the face?
            What does that have that have to do with tea in China? I don’t know if he, the cowboy, did or did not slug him in the face. I took that as a story to get a ‘point’ across. About the context of this post, "but the poem in my book led him to the precise spot." - Forrest Fenn”, I believe was a true statement. Perhaps it would do you good to read or reread Journal of a Trapper.
            *the time stamp of your post may have some bearing though, all IMO
            Last edited by Strawshadow; 03-11-2022, 07:15 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Knight
              meine WELTANSCHAUUNGS ist Objectivist
              Well, it's a lot easier than compassion. But people have to figure out the *I* before they can figure out the *U* I spose.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Old Pilot

                We should take it all with a grain of salt. And we should not let our hunger for gold wreck our quality of life.
                “ Quality of Life” now that’s interesting “ Hunger For Gold” in the same sentence, even more interesting in a conversation about “ Did Forrest Fenn Lie” what’s even more interesting is the poem’s original name was “ where The Treasure Lies”.
                Perhaps a more appropriate statement would be “ Do not let Forrest Fenn’s Lies Wreck Your Quality Of Life”, take that with s grain of salt.

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                • #38
                  To say Forrest "lied" requires knowing his state of mind and intent when making an erroneous statement. For instance, Forrest has said / written that he hid the treasure in 2010, but he has also written that he hid the treasure more than 10 years ago on a date that would have required that he hid it in 2009.

                  Forrest has made hundreds of errors like this in his statements over the years, but saying he actually lied requires a higher threshold.
                  Last edited by Zapster; 03-15-2022, 11:11 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Sarah Seedling View Post

                    “ Quality of Life” now that’s interesting “ Hunger For Gold” in the same sentence, even more interesting in a conversation about “ Did Forrest Fenn Lie” what’s even more interesting is the poem’s original name was “ where The Treasure Lies”.
                    Perhaps a more appropriate statement would be “ Do not let Forrest Fenn’s Lies Wreck Your Quality Of Life”, take that with s grain of salt.
                    Tries that is... I mean... I'm trying to remember.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Tornado View Post

                      Tries that is... I mean... I'm trying to remember.
                       

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Old Pilot

                        That (apparently) does not compute . . .
                        I agree.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Old Pilot

                          Your argument is not valid. I invite you to read what you posted, and think again. You may edit your message (in case you didn't know that before today).
                          I stand by what I wrote, and my argument is completely logical. I invite YOU to tell me where I'm wrong, and I will (likely) promptly show you why you are mistaken. And yes, I know how to edit messages, I'm not a tyro.

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                          • #43
                            Well if he don’t lie he sure as hell bends the truth so far outta wack it definitely looks like a lie

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by WindyCityRambler View Post
                              Hello. I'm sorry if this has been discussed and I just missed it but these two statements are contradictory and seem to indicate that Forrest intentionally lied:

                              6/16/20 "but the poem in my book led him to the precise spot." - Forrest Fenn
                              9/23/20 Medium post: "I figured out the location where he wished to die (and thus, where his treasure was) back in 2018, but it took me many months to figure out the exact spot." - Finder

                              Has this been discussed somewhere I can watch/read about? Everyone generally agrees that FF is incredibly careful and deliberate with his words so I can't believe that in his written statement about the treasure being found he just made an error. Do most folks agree he lied about the poem leading the finder to the treasure? Am I missing something?

                              Thanks in advance!
                              Your insinuating that when arrived upon the location that you will just happen upon the chest. Which is not the case.

                              "You wont happen upon it" - F

                              You can find the precise area, and not find the precise location of the chest. It took jack a while longer to dissect the poem further to become more precise in locating the chest itself, not just the area..

                              Both of their statements stand true.
                              Ω╰⋃╯Ω

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Willy'sNorthWesternPeaNut View Post

                                Your insinuating that when arrived upon the location that you will just happen upon the chest. Which is not the case.

                                "You wont happen upon it" - F

                                You can find the precise area, and not find the precise location of the chest. It took jack a while longer to dissect the poem further to become more precise in locating the chest itself, not just the area..

                                Both of their statements stand true.
                                Now look quick here you are saying that you can’t locate the indulgence without following the poem, which just ain’t so.

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