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  • 9 Mile - The Clues

    Help me out here. I am quite dubious about 9 mile. I may have missed it but would one (or more) of you believers give me the 9 clues in order? Starting with WWH and ending at 9 mile?
    Forrest said the poem was a map so we should be able to go step by step to the ending. Also, Forrest remarked that after finding the TC you would say "Why didn't I find it sooner?" or something to that effect. So it seems the clues should be obvious once solved.
    Now for all you non believers give them their due and please let them lay out the trial so we all can understand.
    AH

  • #2
    The silence is deafening.

    Quite simply, 9MH does not show up on any typical map and is a nonsense solve.

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    • #3
      No Wwwh - Firehole emptying in to Madison
      Canyon down - The Madison Canyon is right there, take it down stream.
      nfbtftw - drive down the canyon
      pibthob - Park up and put in (get in to ) the Madison just below (downstream of) the actual fishing hole at nine mile, where the water is shallow.
      npftm - linked to brave and in the wood, this means go in to the woods on the other side of where you crossed.
      teiedn - go left, after going just in to the woods.

      tbnpuyc jhlawh- you arrive at the creek there which has hundreds of heavy fallen trees across it and water high below them, don’t go up it, cross over it to the island,
      iybwaftb - search the island for the blaze on the tree.
      look down to find the chest.

      How do you know which wwwh? That’s to be figured out using the book. After which this straightforward poem takes you straight to the treasure. Yes there is a hard bit to search for the blaze on the island, but it’s not that big. If the blaze is broken, we’ll you’re just bloody lucky.. like Jack.

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      • #4
        Wading the Madison is just a shallow solve.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Space Hopper View Post
          Wading the Madison is just a shallow solve.
          You’re finding this hard, I can tell. You’re gonna be ok.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Not4but242Walk View Post
            The silence is deafening.

            Quite simply, 9MH does not show up on any typical map and is a nonsense solve.
            9MH is not the hiding location IMO, but could in one way or another play a role in a good solve. All IMO.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BritChaser View Post
              No Wwwh - Firehole emptying in to Madison
              Canyon down - The Madison Canyon is right there, take it down stream.
              nfbtftw - drive down the canyon
              pibthob - Park up and put in (get in to ) the Madison just below (downstream of) the actual fishing hole at nine mile, where the water is shallow.
              npftm - linked to brave and in the wood, this means go in to the woods on the other side of where you crossed.
              teiedn - go left, after going just in to the woods.

              tbnpuyc jhlawh- you arrive at the creek there which has hundreds of heavy fallen trees across it and water high below them, don’t go up it, cross over it to the island,
              iybwaftb - search the island for the blaze on the tree.
              look down to find the chest.

              How do you know which wwwh? That’s to be figured out using the book. After which this straightforward poem takes you straight to the treasure. Yes there is a hard bit to search for the blaze on the island, but it’s not that big. If the blaze is broken, we’ll you’re just bloody lucky.. like Jack.
              Thank you.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BritChaser View Post

                You’re finding this hard, I can tell. You’re gonna be ok.
                You're the type of customer every salesman dreams of.
                Last edited by Space Hopper; 11-18-2021, 06:33 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BritChaser View Post
                  No Wwwh - Firehole emptying in to Madison
                  Canyon down - The Madison Canyon is right there, take it down stream.
                  nfbtftw - drive down the canyon
                  pibthob - Park up and put in (get in to ) the Madison just below (downstream of) the actual fishing hole at nine mile, where the water is shallow.
                  npftm - linked to brave and in the wood, this means go in to the woods on the other side of where you crossed.
                  teiedn - go left, after going just in to the woods.

                  tbnpuyc jhlawh- you arrive at the creek there which has hundreds of heavy fallen trees across it and water high below them, don’t go up it, cross over it to the island,
                  iybwaftb - search the island for the blaze on the tree.
                  look down to find the chest.

                  How do you know which wwwh? That’s to be figured out using the book. After which this straightforward poem takes you straight to the treasure. Yes there is a hard bit to search for the blaze on the island, but it’s not that big. If the blaze is broken, we’ll you’re just bloody lucky.. like Jack.
                  Thank you for putting that out.
                  Does the Firehole make sense after FF said "There are hundreds of WWH and most are north of NM." or something to that effect?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BritChaser View Post
                    No Wwwh - Firehole emptying in to Madison
                    Canyon down - The Madison Canyon is right there, take it down stream.
                    nfbtftw - drive down the canyon
                    pibthob - Park up and put in (get in to ) the Madison just below (downstream of) the actual fishing hole at nine mile, where the water is shallow.
                    npftm - linked to brave and in the wood, this means go in to the woods on the other side of where you crossed.
                    teiedn - go left, after going just in to the woods.

                    tbnpuyc jhlawh- you arrive at the creek there which has hundreds of heavy fallen trees across it and water high below them, don’t go up it, cross over it to the island,
                    iybwaftb - search the island for the blaze on the tree.
                    look down to find the chest.

                    How do you know which wwwh? That’s to be figured out using the book. After which this straightforward poem takes you straight to the treasure. Yes there is a hard bit to search for the blaze on the island, but it’s not that big. If the blaze is broken, we’ll you’re just bloody lucky.. like Jack.
                    I’m curious. Has this always been the place to which the poem has led you, or have you just become a believer in this recent rumor of the NMH “confirmation?”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BritChaser View Post
                      No Wwwh - Firehole emptying in to Madison
                      Canyon down - The Madison Canyon is right there, take it down stream.
                      nfbtftw - drive down the canyon
                      pibthob - Park up and put in (get in to ) the Madison just below (downstream of) the actual fishing hole at nine mile, where the water is shallow.
                      npftm - linked to brave and in the wood, this means go in to the woods on the other side of where you crossed.
                      teiedn - go left, after going just in to the woods.

                      tbnpuyc jhlawh- you arrive at the creek there which has hundreds of heavy fallen trees across it and water high below them, don’t go up it, cross over it to the island,
                      iybwaftb - search the island for the blaze on the tree.
                      look down to find the chest.

                      How do you know which wwwh? That’s to be figured out using the book. After which this straightforward poem takes you straight to the treasure. Yes there is a hard bit to search for the blaze on the island, but it’s not that big. If the blaze is broken, we’ll you’re just bloody lucky.. like Jack.
                      What is the rest of the poem for?
                      How do you explain this quote from Forrest is the blaze is not that big or broken?

                      "While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there. "
                      ~ Forrest Fenn

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Longfellow View Post

                        I’m curious. Has this always been the place to which the poem has led you, or have you just become a believer in this recent rumor of the NMH “confirmation?”
                        The poem did not lead them there, they played like detectives and tried to outfox the fox.

                        The fox will get the last laugh and .........hear it all.........listen good......that's the fox Forrest LOL.

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                        • #13
                          the TC. It was never in the park but wwwsh is in the park Clint

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                          • #14
                            Here are my opinions.

                            IT being the Madison river is key IMO. In fact, I believe this was the "tight focus with a word that is key". Once you realize that IT = Madison River, then the clues become more clear. This was the big "puzzle" of the poem - the word that was key. The clues are simply directions from Forrest's perspective - the perspective of a fly fishing guide in love with Yellowstone that had found "a striking place with secrets" as described by Schweibert.

                            1. Begin IT (the Madison) where warm waters halt (warm waters are all the rivulets from the geysers and they halt in the Firehole and Gibbon rivers). So putting that together means "Begin the Madison at the Firehole and Gibbon rivers". (Madison Junction) Ojo Caliente was just a hint that warm waters are geysers and they halt in the river. It was more of a general hint than a specific location.

                            2. Take IT in the Canyon down means take the Madison going downstream in the Madison Canyon (pretty easy and obvious if you know what IT is)

                            3. Not far but too far too walk - it just means what it says - its more than a few miles so you don't walk there, you ride there.

                            4 Put in BELOW the HOB - the important word in this clue is "home". It means "spawning grounds" (that's in the dictionary). So HOB is NOT technically 9MH. Rather, HOB is the creek that runs into 9MH, which is the spawning grounds for Brown trout. This is why Forrest said no one told him the correct HOB. No one told him the creek and probably no one told him the nuanced, but correct, meaning of "home". Jack said he wasn't sure about which definition Forrest meant for an important word in a clue, and he was talking about the end of the 2nd paragraph. So I think it is likely that Jack meant the word "home". If it means "residence", then HOB is 9MH, which could open up the search area to just below lower 9MH. If it means "spawning grounds", then the search area narrows to around the creek because you are "putting in" the Madison a little downstream from the creek, instead of putting in downstream of lower 9 mile hole. This was Jack's dilemma that increased his search time. His "stretch of the Madison" included just below lower 9MH to the creek, primarily because he wasn't sure of Forrest's definition of "home". Note that Jack's "stretch of the Madison" comment was NOT IN RESPONSE TO 7 MILE BRIDGE TO 9MH. As pointed out by @Vertigo's excellent research, his response was to a description of the Madison that indicated just below lower 9 MH to the shallow areas just below upper 9MH. That was the extent of Jacks probable search area. It never extended to 7 mile bridge. And since he settled on home=spawning grounds (he said the definition ended up being the one he thought) he was able to narrow the search area to around the creek.

                            The clue tells us to PUT IN BELOW the HOB, meaning your put in point (where you get into the river) is downstream from the creek. It is shallow there and it is safe to cross there most of the time.

                            5. From there, it's no place for the meek - Since IT is the Madison, this becomes clear - another reason why IT is the key word. The Madison is literally no place for the meek, meaning you have to get in the Madison and cross the river.

                            6. The end is ever drawing nigh; The spring fed creek is ever drawing into the river, which is to the left when you get to the other side of the Madison.

                            7. They'll be no paddle up your creek - You need to go up the creek, which is too shallow to paddle up and the fallen lodgepoles further prevent it. Because of the semicolon, this clue is basically the same place as clue 6 - its just an elaboration of the place

                            8. Just heavy loads and water high - this is the most ambiguous clue for me. Again, the semicolon means that this clue is describing the same basic place as clue 6 (the creek). Heavy loads was a term Forrest used in a couple of videos to describe fallen lodgepole pines. Perhaps it means boulders. Water high could mean the "deeper than normal" (remember Forrest asking about that?) water at the mouth of the creek in the river (which is 9MH). Or perhaps it means water that is coming from high up the mountains, which is where this creek originates. Or perhaps there is some other subtle meaning that gets you closer to the blaze.

                            9. If you've been wise and found the blaze - You have to "find" the blaze, meaning you have a bit of a search area to cover. I always thought that "being wise" meant you had to be properly aligned by all of the previous clues. Jack said the blaze was some distance away from the previous clues. The picture in the epilogue of TFTW shows an ax and tree stumps. Page 15 indicates that Forrest's life is represented by an asterisk. He later wrote that our lives were just asterisks in a book never written. Jack gave us a hint that the blaze might be an asterisk when he answered a question and used the double omegas and then an asterisk. An asterisk would be easy to make with an ax. So my best bet is that the blaze was an asterisk carved into a tree or stump. One final clue in favor of the asterisk (and I feel this was a real giveaway in retrospect), Forrest answered a question about the blaze on Jenny Kyle's websight, saying that people had all kinds of ideas about what the blaze was - then he strangely and oddly put in "as a side note, with summer on the close horizon people should review the rules about being safe in the mountains". I always thought that was a hint about the blaze, given his odd placement of that - he could have put it anywhere, say in his first or last answers, but he chose to immediately say this after talking about the blaze. Please note that "a side note" is what is normally indicated by an asterisk. He was hinting that the blaze is a side note, i.e. an asterisk. Since Forrest originally planned to die there, it seems the asterisk was a kind of epitaph/marker for his life (like the hint on page 15). It is also a marker for his life in a book never published - the one inside the treasure chest.

                            Other possible blazes are a down arrow (like the blaze on Lightnings head), a rainbow, or a crescent moon (like the one in the epilogue pic).

                            Since Forrest's perspective was pirate treasure, and he gave us the Captain Kidd - Gardiner Island reference, perhaps the blaze was on the little island made by the two branches of the creek, which is a little smaller than a football field (Jack's description of his final search area).

                            The clues could be numbered differently. Clues 7 and 8 could be combined for example. That could leave the blaze as clue 8 and "look quickly down" as clue 9. Forrest did say that "look quickly down" was the last clue, but it could be part of the blaze clue. So the numbering is not definitive. Jack seemed to imply that the numbering wasn't critical.

                            These are just my thoughts on how we were supposed to interpret the clues that would get us to the blaze, which was perhaps on that little island made by the creek at 9MH. Or perhaps some other nearby location to the creek.

                            May we all find our own treasure and go in peace.

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                            • #15
                              If the Madison is the "it" you are taking in the canyon down, why do you have to "put in"? Aren't you already in the Madison if you are taking it down? If you are driving, wouldn't you be taking the road, not the river?

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