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  • The more I think about it, the more I think that the supposed "found" chest . . .

    . . . is not the real one. I suspect that the real one is still in the original/real "hidey spot", and waiting to be found -- by someone with a perfect solve, who doesn't need 20+ BOTG search hikes in order to
    find the hidey spot, which is pretty small. I estimate it to be about the size of Olga's bathtub. Remember her? Forrest wrote about her in his chapter called Tea with Olga (perhaps paraphrased a bit).
    In all the gorgeous (staged, yes . . . just like staging a house you want to sell -- ya know, with nice furniture, not cluttered, etc.) photos I've seen in articles about the treasure hunt (before the supposed
    "find", of course), none of them showed the chest garbaged-up with plastic ziplock bags, wooden sticks, rusty keys, or rusty scissors. The "near onsite" photo looked downright lame to me. If the real chest was found looking so trashed-up, this would suggest that Forrest severely misrepresented it in promotional photos to get folks involved in the hunt. In the "found" photos (taken in what appears to be an office or conference room), there seems to be some differences between what was apparently in the chest, compared to what was shown in it in promotional (before the "find") photos. I don't remember reading anywhere that Forrest stated that there was only one bronze chest that he owned. If it was cast, the artist may have made several. I'm not even assuming that Forrest (or Glenna Goodacre) didn't create the original artwork (master) for casting of the bronze chest. Something I've wondered about for years -- and this is a little off-subject, so I apologize, but please bear with me -- is how much of a hearbreaker it is for an artist to part with a work that is fondly thought of. I have done a small bit of sculpture, and have seriously considered that if I wanted to sell a piece, maybe I should make a copy of it that is substantially identical -- to keep. It wouldn't surprise me much to learn that Forrest had several bronze chests that are virtually identical to one another. With his experience in making bronze castings, I figure that he could have made one (or several) "duplicate" chest(s) if he wanted to. He could have staged one "to claim that Jack found it", and directed Jack to it (or something about like that) . . . all as a diversionary tactic, to keep other people from dying from covid or their own carelessness in other ways. In fact, this staging could have been near 9MH or another bogus location. It could have been far from the real hidey spot (that has so much symbolic significance to Forrest).

    I'm a little tired of reading/researching regarding Forrest saying "nothing is what it seems" -- or something similar. And I don't feel like waiting another 8 or 9 years to learn what will happen in this hunt ( I said "hunt", not "Chase" in this message). Like the rest of us, I'm aging and getting closer to the end of my life. It gets harder and harder for me to hike to the place where my solve leads. By the way, as seen on GE, there are a lot of visual remarkable things to observe -- a surprisingly large amount of things one might perceive, with only a small amount of imagination. It doesn't surprise me that Forrest (very cleverly/wisely) chose this spot . . . because the appearance of the place doesn't change very rapidly. So some of the visual symbolism can endure for hundreds/thousands of years.

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    Old Pilot Regarding the chest I believe you are quite close to the truth in what you say.

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    • #3
      The wooden wall on the inside of the "found near by" photo is peeling away. This only happens with veneered plywood. So, yes, its a modern made chest.

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        Old Pilot , I think there's likely a lot of truth in your opening post. One point about your story bothers me; correct me if I'm wrong,
        but I understand you believe you know the solution to the poem & , importantly, you believe a chest/trove still remains to be found.
        You say you're getting old to go into the RM's, but I can't really understand why you don't have someone you trust go to your spot to
        retrieve the (2nd) trove. Could you please explain/comment ? Thanks.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Old Pilot View Post
          Like the rest of us, I'm aging and getting closer to the end of my life. It gets harder and harder for me to hike to the place where my solve leads.
          Is this spot somewhere that Fenn could have hiked back-and-forth twice, carrying the chest then the contents, at 79-80 years of age?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by UNtitleD Brave View Post
            Old Pilot , I think there's likely a lot of truth in your opening post. One point about your story bothers me; correct me if I'm wrong,
            but I understand you believe you know the solution to the poem & , importantly, you believe a chest/trove still remains to be found.
            You say you're getting old to go into the RM's, but I can't really understand why you don't have someone you trust go to your spot to
            retrieve the (2nd) trove. Could you please explain/comment ? Thanks.
            It's not the "going into the RM's" that's a challenge. It's the search hike itself. It was never easy for me, and I've done it 6 times.
            Regarding trusting someone to retrieve the trove for me, I'm struggling with that idea. I don't think I know many people that are "honest" enough to trust in a matter such as that.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Not4but242Walk View Post

              Is this spot somewhere that Fenn could have hiked back-and-forth twice, carrying the chest then the contents, at 79-80 years of age?
              This depends on what you mean. I don't think he walked several miles, twice, in one day, carrying 20 or more pounds of metal at a time in order to hide his trove. But for years, I've also believed that he was clever and resourceful enough to avoid doing that. He could have used an ATV to transport the goodies most of the way from a "reasonable parking spot" (i.e., where I parked) to the hidey spot.
              He could have even carried a set of lightweight (i.e., aluminum) motorcycle ramps with him on the ATV, and used the ramps to cross a creeklet if appropriate. I believe he carried the bronze chest as far as about 100 feet in one day. I also believe he carried the future contents of the chest as far as about 100 feet on the same day. All with no witnesses other than himself.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Not4but242Walk View Post

                Is this spot somewhere that Fenn could have hiked back-and-forth twice, carrying the chest then the contents, at 79-80 years of age?
                In one afternoon, and in time to be back home for dinner?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Old Pilot View Post
                  . . . is not the real one. I suspect that the real one is still in the original/real "hidey spot", and waiting to be found -- by someone with a perfect solve, who doesn't need 20+ BOTG search hikes in order to find the hidey spot
                  Exactly!!!

                  The real Forrest Fenn Treasure Chest is still out there!

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                  • #10
                    Old Pilot Thanks for sharing. I agree with all of it. I definitely think there were 2 chests. Two omegas, two endings to two treasure hunts. I hope you can make a few more trips to search your hidey spot....

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kidd View Post
                      Old Pilot Thanks for sharing. I agree with all of it. I definitely think there were 2 chests. Two omegas, two endings to two treasure hunts. I hope you can make a few more trips to search your hidey spot....
                      Two right there is...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Old Pilot View Post
                        Regarding trusting someone to retrieve the trove for me, I'm struggling with that idea. I don't think I know many people that are "honest" enough to trust in a matter such as that.
                        Remember when you had just one yellow book with the answers to your problems? Maybe all the old time Treasure Recovery Specialists retired. Wish I knew a guy who knows a gal who knew a guy to fix all your troubles. Careful if you head out alone…..it’s getting cold up here at night.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Old Pilot View Post

                          This depends on what you mean. I don't think he walked several miles, twice, in one day, carrying 20 or more pounds of metal at a time in order to hide his trove. But for years, I've also believed that he was clever and resourceful enough to avoid doing that. He could have used an ATV to transport the goodies most of the way from a "reasonable parking spot" (i.e., where I parked) to the hidey spot.
                          He could have even carried a set of lightweight (i.e., aluminum) motorcycle ramps with him on the ATV, and used the ramps to cross a creeklet if appropriate. I believe he carried the bronze chest as far as about 100 feet in one day. I also believe he carried the future contents of the chest as far as about 100 feet on the same day. All with no witnesses other than himself.
                          I believe it. But O.P. there is a trail camera now . There is someone from K-state doing a wildlife survey up yonder. I told you I saw a lynx there last time I was in the area didn't I? Some bear claw marks on some trees too. I'm more scared about mountain lions though. They can sneak up upon you and break your neck if you try to make a run for it. Something has been eating those deer.
                          1f Billy
                          PS- I told Dawn and Ashley you think you know where it's hidden. Ashley just shook her head and Dawn just grinned. They then offered to go get it for you if you're too old to get it up there.

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                          • #14
                            Don’t forget Forrest wrote about owning burros.

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