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  • #16
    Maths…. Comp lick ate Ed… rip

    how ~ strange ~ it is

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    • #17
      For Est = 4 East
      For Rest = another 4 East

      Yes, Dr. Strange, Line 3 provides the Secret Where to apply this obvious "Comp Lick A Shun" . . . LOL!

      I stand by my Comp-Lick-Ate-Ed gobbledygook . . .



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      • #18
        4 sure
        BUTT
        does IT
        stand
        by
        U???

        ~ strange ~

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        • #19
          Of course, my Latitude stands by U:

          Line 24:

          IGIVEYOU

          U is the 8th letter

          Continue "I" already in play as far south as possible to intersect with "U."

          Next 7 letters are TITLETO . . .

          Title To = TT

          Be yoU TT

          To "O" Far "To" . . . Walk

          TITLETO = Tit The Two by homophone . . . Warm Milk, anyone?

          Tit L Toe . . . and/or . . . Little O (by anagram)
          Note by extending the "I" south and turning east a big "L" is formed.

          TITLETO = 43.46549 = 43 27 55.8 N

          Voila!

          And at your service, Dr. Strange.

          Regards To All.

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          • #20
            So.... now that you have your coordinates, how do you get in your car and drive to the first clue? Where do you go from there? Is there anything in the poem that marries to the map?

            ​​​​​​​

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            • #21
              No, Gunrunner. That coordinate should be the final answer; the location of the treasure chest. I went there in early Aug, 2018, with two friends. No luck.

              So something is wrong. What? That is open for debate.

              Math correlation for this solution is off the charts high. I believe it was prepared by the author of the poem. Of that I have no doubt. It would not exist to be discovered otherwise.

              So what are the leading candidates?

              Teach would-be solvers like me a lesson? Seems like overkill. What I've discovered and explained is too elaborate, too all-encompassing to be a mere ruse, IMO.

              Coordinate is simply a starting point for a field search? Certainly possible. If so, I never had a legitimate chance to win, anyway. Too many obligations elsewhere to be able to search a patch of woods for days on end. Need a guy like Jack to win that contest.

              Solution + BOTG investigation + Public Dissemination required to prove contest was a sham? Maybe. I did all of those things and Fenn knew it, but I cannot say with any certainty that this is true, so I will categorically say that I don't know . . . But it is possible that I forced Fenn to scramble.

              Solution offered is off a bit. Consider BATH vs BATHE. They mean the same thing, but the extra letter adds a digit. If my letter strings are not exactly equal to the correct ones, my work could be almost entirely correct, yet my BOTG would have found exactly nothing if the digits missing or added were significant. In this case, my attempt to publish the full solution in Sept, 2018, on Dal's website (denied) could have put Fenn into an Ethical Dilemma that he never anticipated. Thus, it is possible that I am a prime mover in the screwed up ending that we have now. But as to that, I have no firsthand information, so I bear no guilt, just bewilderment.

              The latitude component could be entirely incorrect. While "Titleto" offered the best final answer to me, other possibilities exist. Anyone out there who would like to self-select an adventure can convert the poem to a numerical grid and pick coordinates at their leisure. A spot on Big Island in the Seedskadee National Wildlife Refuge was my second choice. But I never got there, so I have no idea whether it could be viable or not..

              Along those lines, a nice searcher sent me pictures of the alternate Lat/Long combo near 9 Mile Hole in YNP. Looked like a reasonable fit for a hidey-spot. Maybe Jack found it there? . . . Too many possibilities to know anything for sure at this point.

              So now, I just want to know what happened and why. For everyone's sake I hope Jack proves to be a legit Finder and that the location and solution backing it eventually become public knowledge. That outcome seems most fitting, but it may be a pipe dream that never happens.

              Good question. Thanks.

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              • #22
                I'm still looking for someone to explain how all this math is possible randomly. So let's review in detail things that have been posted separately.

                Keyword: Listen = L is 10
                Use: Letter wheel where L = 10, C becomes A = 1, B becomes Z = 6.

                A 5
                B 6
                C 1
                D 2
                E 3
                F 4
                G 5
                H 6
                I 7
                J 8
                K 9
                L 10
                M 1
                N 2
                O 3
                P 4
                Q 5
                R 6
                S 7
                T 8
                U 9
                V 10
                W 1
                X 2
                Y 3
                Z 4

                Make "IT" . . . Halt
                Add second wheel . . .

                A L 10
                B M 1
                C N 2
                D O 3
                E P 4
                F Q 5
                G R 6
                H S 7
                I T 8
                J U 9
                K V 10
                L W 1
                M X 2
                N Y 3
                O Z 4
                P A 5
                Q B 6
                R C 1
                S D 2
                T E 3
                U F 4
                V G 5
                W H 6
                X I 7
                Y J 8
                Z K 9

                Take "IT" distance "In+The+Canyon" . . . Down
                In = 8+3 = 11 = 1+1 = 2
                The = 3+7+4 = 14 = 1+4 = 5
                Canyon = 2+10+3+8+4+3 = 30 = 3+0 = 3
                2+5+3 = 10 . . . Don't reduce because we are using Base 10!

                Note: Pressing down on the wheel moves alphabet up! So count up from bottom!
                Tenth letter from bottom is: "B"
                Add third wheel with "B" on top line!

                A L B 6
                B M C 1
                C N D 2
                D O E 3
                E P F 4
                F Q G 5
                G R H 6
                H S I 7
                I T J 8
                J U K 9
                K V L 10
                L W M 1
                M X N 2
                N Y O 3
                O Z P 4
                P A Q 5
                Q B R 6
                R C S 7
                S D T 8
                T E U 9
                U F V 10
                V G W 1
                W H X 2
                X I Y 3
                Y J Z 4
                Z K A 5

                Put "IN" . . . below

                In = 8+3 = 11 = 1+1 = 2

                Count up two letters . . . "Z"
                Add 4th wheel with "Z" at the top.

                A L B Z 4
                B M C A 5
                C N D B 6
                D O E C 1
                E P F D 2
                F Q G E 3
                G R H F 4
                H S I G 5
                I T J H 6
                J U K I 7
                K V L J 8
                L W M K 9
                M X N L 10
                N Y O M 1
                O Z P N 2
                P A Q O 3
                Q B R P 4
                R C S Q 5
                S D T R 6
                T E U S 7
                U F V T 8
                V G W U 9
                W H X V 10
                X I Y W 1
                Y J Z X 2
                Z K A Y 3

                There will be "No+Paddle" . . . Up
                No = 1+2 = 3
                Paddle = 3+4+1+1+9+2 = 20 2+0 = 2
                3+2 = 5

                Pushing up moves alphabet down!
                Count letters down from top!
                5th letter down is "E".

                Add fifth wheel.

                A L B Z E 3
                B M C A F 4
                C N D B G 5
                D O E C H 6
                E P F D I 7
                F Q G E J 8
                G R H F K 9
                H S I G L 10
                I T J H M 1
                J U K I N 2
                K V L J O 3
                L W M K P 4
                M X N L Q 5
                N Y O M R 6
                O Z P N S 7
                P A Q O T 8
                Q B R P U 9
                R C S Q V 10
                S D T R W 1
                T E U S X 2
                U F V T Y 3
                V G W U Z 4
                W H X V A 5
                X I Y W B 6
                Y J Z X C 1
                Z K A Y D 2

                VERIFICATION: TOP LINE = ALBZE . . . anagram BLAZE!

                Come on, someone has to see that the output is exactly correct and on time. It could be considered, "damaged," but it's exceedingly obvious to any casual observer, IMO.

                Look "Quickly" . . . Down
                Quickly = 9+3+1+5+3+4+1 = 26 = 2+6 = 8

                Count up from the bottom 8 letters.
                8th letter up is "W".
                Add 6th and final wheel . . . Quest to cease!

                A L B Z E W 1
                B M C A F X 2
                C N D B G Y 3
                D O E C H Z 4
                E P F D I A 5
                F Q G E J B 6
                G R H F K C 1
                H S I G L D 2
                I T J H M E 3
                J U K I N F 4
                K V L J O G 5
                L W M K P H 6
                M X N L Q I 7
                N Y O M R J 8
                O Z P N S K 9
                P A Q O T L 10
                Q B R P U M 1
                R C S Q V N 2
                S D T R W O 3
                T E U S X P 4
                U F V T Y Q 5
                V G W U Z R 6
                W H X V A S 7
                X I Y W B T 8
                Y J Z X C U 9
                Z K A Y D V 10

                Final letter values now established. Verifications across "To Be" now possible.

                Process instructions were:
                Halt
                Down
                Below
                Up
                Down

                First one was unique. Next four were identical form and anticipatable.

                Math changed between every step. Secrecy assured unless this exact process is used to unlock the safe.

                Who wants to step up and say that this is random chance?
                If so, please show your statistical analysis.

                Who wants to step up and show me either a computational or logically disqualifying error?

                Stopping here, but full suite of line by line ValidatIons can be conducted independently by anyone interested in doing some quick math.

                Sorry to be redundant, but this one needs to be refuted and so far no one has made any serious attempt to do that.

                Regards To All.


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                • #23
                  Full suite of Validation math for your consideration and review. Anyone who wants to take a crack at proving that this information could be random is more than welcome to make their case! I'm all ears for that!

                  Line 22 . . . Your Effort will be Worth The Cold . . .


                  Your = 9+9+5+2 = 25 = 7
                  Effort = 5+6+6+9+2+4 = 32 = 5
                  Worth = 7+9+2+4+2 = 24 = 6
                  The = 4+2+5 = 11 = 2
                  Cold = 3+9+6+4 = 22 = 4

                  Your + Effort = 25+32= 57 and 7+5=12
                  Worth + The + Cold = 24 + 11 + 22 = 57 and 6+2+4 = 12

                  Math is exact both ways! Moving on!

                  Line 23 . . . If You are Brave And In The Wood
                  If = 3+6 = 9
                  You = 9+9+5 = 23 = 5
                  Brave = 2+2+1+6+5 = 16 = 7
                  And = 1+8+4 = 13 = 4
                  In = 3+8 = 11 = 2
                  The = 4+2+5 = 11 = 2
                  Wood = 7+9+9+4 = 29 = 2

                  If+You = 9+23 = 32 = 5
                  Brave And In The Wood = 16+13+11+11+29 = 80 = 8

                  NO MATCH!! So, what does this mean??

                  First, note that the differential is 3. I=3. Removal of “I” from “IN” would make the equations equal!
                  If: You = 23 = 5
                  Brave And N The Wood = 16+13+8+11+29 = 77 = 14 = 5

                  Second, note that substitution of “I” with “F” on left makes “IF” become “FF”.
                  FF = 6+6 = 12 = 3
                  FF+You = 3+5 = 8 = Brave And In The Wood!

                  Also, note that IF+U+R = 9+5+2 = 16
                  BRAVE = 2+2+1+6+5 = 16
                  B+I+T+W = 2+3+4+7 = 16

                  And R=B=2!

                  These are admittedly forced, but they could be correct IF these removals were instructed. Consider Line 17, that “I” must go.

                  Using old math, simple substitution:
                  That = 2+8+1+2 = 13
                  Must = 4+3+1+2 = 10
                  That + Must = 13+10 = 23

                  Corroboration achieved! And, logically, the “I” in “Wise” will have to go in Lines 10 & 13, too! So, let’s see what happens . . .

                  Line 13 . . . If You’ve been Wise And Found The Blaze

                  If = 3+6 = 9
                  You = 9+9+5 = 23 = 5
                  You’ve = 9+9+5+6+5 = 34 = 7
                  Been = 2+5+5+8 = 20 = 2
                  Wise = 7+3+3+5 = 18 = 9
                  And = 1+8+4 = 13 = 4
                  Found = 6+9+5+8+4 = 32 = 5
                  The = 4+2+5 = 11 = 2
                  Blaze = 2+6+1+10+5 = 24 = 6

                  If: You = 5
                  FF + You = 3+5 = 8
                  Wise+And+Found+The+Blaze = 9+4+5+2+6 = 26 = 8 . . . Identical structure to Line 23! Removal of “I” from “Wise” will work!

                  If+You = 9+5 = 14
                  Wise+Found = 9+5 = 14

                  W+S+E = 7+3+5 = 15 = 6
                  WSE+And+Found+The+Blaze = 6+4+5+2+6 = 23 = 5

                  Also: IF+U+V+E+B = 9+(5+6+5+2=18=9) = 9+9 = 18
                  W+I+S+E = 7+3+3+5 = 18
                  W+A+F+T = 7+1+6+4 = 18
                  W+E+A+K = 7+5+1+5 = 18

                  Adding next line into mix:

                  Look = 6+9+9+5 = 29 = 11
                  Quickly = 1+5+3+3+5+6+9 = 32 = 5
                  Down = 4+9+7+8 = 28 = 10
                  Your = 9+9+5+2 = 25 = 7
                  Quest = 1+5+5+3+4 = 18 = 9
                  To = 4+9 = 13 = 4
                  Cease = 3+5+1+3+5 = 17 = 8

                  FF+You’ve+Been+W = 3+7+2+7 = 19 = 10
                  ISE+And+Found+The+Blaze = 2+4+5+2+6 = 19 = 10
                  Look+Quickly+Down+Your+Quest+To+Cease = 2+5+1+7+9+4+8 = 36 = 9 . . . No effect, so adding this line works, too!

                  Checking Line 10 . . . The end is ever drawing nigh . . .

                  The = 4+2+5 = 11
                  End = 5+8+4 = 17
                  Is = 3+3 = 6 / S = 3
                  Ever = 5+6+5+2 = 18
                  Drawing = 4+2+1+7+3+8+1 = 26
                  Nigh = 8+3+1+2 = 14

                  The+End = 11+17 = 28 = 10
                  Sever+Draw+ng+N+gh = 21+24+9+8+3 = 55 = 10
                  Ever+Drawing+N+gh = 18+26+8+3 = 55 = 10

                  The+End+F = 11+17+6 = 34 = 7
                  Sever+Drawing+Nigh = 21+26+14 = 61 = 7

                  Once again, removal of “I” and substitution of “F” for “I” make these equations balance!

                  Three for three! And, that’s a perfect score of 10 for Line 10!!

                  So why is the “I” trick needed??? To ensure authenticity! This is brilliant validation construction! Structure hinted at in Line 5: “Be GI nit . . . “ A nit to military decoders is a very small piece of missing info that is needed for authentication purposes.

                  Moving on . . . Line 20 . . . I’ve done it (claimed)! . . . Let’s check the math!

                  I’ve = 3+6+5 = 14 = 5 / I = 3
                  Have = 2+1+6+5 = 14 = 5
                  Done = 26 = 8
                  It = 7
                  Tired = 18 = 9
                  And = 1+8+4 = 13 = 4
                  Now = 24 = 6
                  I = 3

                  Weak = 18 = 9

                  I+Done+It = 3+8+7 = 18
                  Tired = 18
                  Weak = 18!!

                  Further: I+Done+It+Tired = 3+8+7+9 = 27 = 9 = Weak!
                  Even further: I+Have+Done+It+Tired+And+Now+I = 3+5+8+7+9+4+6+3 = 45 = 9 = Weak!
                  Even further: The entire phrase = 3+8+7+9+4+6+3 = 40 . . . which does not equal the current value of Weak, but does exactly match the original value of WEAK (OLD MATH: 23+5+1+11 = 40)!

                  Adding Line 19 to the mix gets results, too!

                  The = 11 = 2
                  Answer(s) = 26(29) = 8(2)
                  I = 3
                  Already = 28 = 1
                  Know = 29 = 2

                  The + Answer + I + Already + Know = 11+26+3+28+29 = 97 = 7
                  I’ve + Done + It + Tired + Now + I = 14+26+7+8+24+3 = 92 = 11 = 2

                  These phrases added together: 7+2 = 9 = WEAK!

                  These lines, working together, completely document how “I” changes state from Base 9 to final Base 10!
                  This is extremely strong, and it proves that the “To Be” validation concept is precisely on target!
                  And yet there is still more here!

                  Swapping T with F Line 20 yields: I have done if fired now I = 99 = 18 = Weak!
                  Swapping T with F Line 19 yields: Fhe answer I already know = 99 = 18 = Weak!
                  The full two lines with TOO swaps yield: The answers I already know I’ve done if fired and now I’m = 216 = 9 = Weak!


                  Moving on to Lines 17/18 . . .

                  So why is it that I must go and leave my trove for all to seek?

                  So = 12 = 3
                  Why = 18 = 9

                  It = 7 / T = 4
                  That = 11 = 2
                  I = 3
                  Must = 19 = 1
                  Go = 10 = 1

                  So+Why = 3+9 = 12
                  I = 3

                  So why = I . . . We noted that the “I” had to be removed to solve Lines 23 and 13. Here is another reason “WHY”!

                  It+That+I+Must+Go = 7+11+3+19+10 = 50 = 5 . . . not equal to So+Why!

                  So, as above, continue to the next line . . .

                  And = 13 = 4
                  Leave = 23 = 5
                  My = 16 = 7
                  Trove = 26 = 8
                  For = 17 = 8
                  All = 13 = 4
                  To = 13 = 4
                  Seek = 18 = 9

                  And+Leave+My+Trove+For+All+To+Seek = 13+23+16+26+17+13+13+18 = 139 = 13
                  T+That+Must+Go = 4+11+19+10 = 44

                  139+44 = 183 = 12

                  So WHY = 12
                  Once again, the removal of “I” makes the full question solve perfectly!

                  Also: So WY (H=2/IS=3+3=6)
                  So WY 26 = IT that I must go! This Highway runs through Dubois, the starting point for the car trip.

                  AND the FINISHER THIS LINE . . .
                  Final letter of Latitude coordinate is O = 9 = Why!
                  Originally (Base 9 simple sub), IT=NO=WHY and now O=WHY . . . Process changed NO to O! I love it!

                  Moving on to Line 21 . . . So hear me all and listen good!

                  So = 12 = 3
                  Hear = 10 = 1
                  Me = 12 = 3
                  All = 13 = 4
                  And = 13 = 4
                  Listen = 29 = 2
                  L = 6
                  Ten = 17= 8
                  Good = 23 = 5

                  “Is” embedded in “L is Ten!”

                  So+Hear+Me+All+L = 3+1+3+4+6 = 17 = TEN!

                  Me + Listen = 3+2 = 5 = GOOD!

                  Adding Line 23 to the mix above yields even more interesting results!

                  Your = 25 = 7
                  Effort = 32 = 5
                  Will = 22 = 4
                  Be = 7
                  Worth = 24 = 6
                  The = 11 = 2
                  Cold = 22 = 4

                  So+Hear+Me+All+And+L = 3+1+3+4+4+6 = 21 = 3
                  Ten+Good+Your+Effort+Will+Be+Worth+The+Cold = 8+5+7+5+4+7+6+2+4 = 48 = 12 = 3

                  Further:
                  Ten+Good+Your+Effort+Will+Be+Worth = 8+5+7+5+4+7+6 = 42 = 6 = L!! This mimics the SO WHY outcome!
                  Reiterating the same outcome: Worth = 6; The+Cold = 2+4 = 6;
                  Ten+Good+Your+Effort+LB = 8+5+7+5+8 = 33 = 6!


                  Next up, Line 9:

                  From = 6+2+9+7 = 24
                  There = 4+2+5+2+5 = 18
                  It = 3+4 = 7

                  No = 8+9 = 17
                  Place = 10+6+1+3+5 = 25
                  For = 6+8+2 = 17
                  The = 4+2+5 = 11
                  Meek = 7+5+5+5 = 22

                  The math really doesn’t work very well at all here. But mathematical validation has already been achieved, so perhaps something else is intended . . . check next line for extension possibilities

                  The = 4+2+5 = 11
                  End = 5+8+4 = 17
                  Is = 3+3 = 6
                  Ever = 5+6+5+2 = 18
                  Drawing = 4+2+1+7+3+8+1 = 26 / Draw NG = 23
                  Nigh = 8+3+1+2 = 14 / N GH = 11

                  From+There+T = 24+18+4 = 46 = 10
                  The+End = 11+17 = 28 = 10


                  Further:
                  No+Place+For+The+Meek+The+End+Ever+Draw+ng+N+gh = 17+25+17+11+22+11+17+18+23+11 = 172 = 10

                  Removal of “I” makes the double line solve perfectly yet again!

                  Also, note that this line pertains to CANCER mathematically, as follows:

                  From+There+It = 24+18+7 = 49 = 4
                  CANCER = 3+1+8+3+5+2 = 22 = 4

                  There = 18 = 9
                  No + P = 17+10 = 27 = 9 (Kidney cancer called out mathematically here!)

                  Letter swap F for T (twice on left only) works: From+F+Here+If+S = 56 = 11
                  No+Place+For+The+Meek = 92 = 11

                  And finally, Line 11:

                  There = 4+2+5+2+5 = 18 = 9
                  Will = 7+3+6+6 = 22 = 4
                  Be = 2+5 = 7
                  No = 8+9 = 17
                  Paddle = 10+1+4+4+6+5 = 30
                  Up = 5+10 = 15
                  Your = 9+9+5+2 = 25
                  Creek = 3+2+5+5+5 = 20

                  Just = 4+5+3+4 = 16 = 7
                  Heavy = 2+5+1+6+9 = 23 = 5
                  And = 1+8+4 = 13 = 4
                  Loads = 6+9+1+4+3 = 23 = 5
                  Water = 7+1+4+5+2 = 19 = 1
                  High = 2+3+1+2 = 8

                  There = 18 = 9
                  No+P = 17+10 = 27 = 9 (Kidney cancer called out again)
                  Paddle+Up+Your+Creek = 30+15+25+20 = 90 = 9
                  Just+Heavy+And+Loads+Water+H+gh = 16+23+13+23+19+2+3 = 99 = 18 = 9

                  There+LB = 18+6+2 = 26 = 8
                  No+Paddle+Up+Your+Creek+Just+Heavy+Loads+And+Water +H+GH = 17+90+99 = 206 = 8

                  Note: Removal of “I” works yet again across full two line couplet!!

                  Letter swap F for T on left yields: F+Here+Will+B = 44 = 8
                  No+Paddle+Up+Your+Creek = 107 = 8

                  This is all the validation needed to prove that the final KEY is correct!

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                  • #24
                    I think you’re not getting the response you want because no one has 4 spare hours to go through arbitrarily enforced and tedious rules that seem to be made up as you went along. Why do you stop some counts at 10 and up and then reduce others to single digits? If you’re turning 12 to 3 you must also turn 13 to 4, etc. you can’t just pick and choose. A quick look see tells me all I need to know, but for demonstration look at your Line 10 analysis:

                    [quoting you:]
                    The = 4+2+5 = 11
                    End = 5+8+4 = 17
                    Is = 3+3 = 6 / S = 3
                    Ever = 5+6+5+2 = 18
                    Drawing = 4+2+1+7+3+8+1 = 26
                    Nigh = 8+3+1+2 = 14

                    The+End = 11+17 = 28 = 10
                    Sever+Draw+ng+N+gh = 21+24+9+8+3 = 55 = 10
                    Ever+Drawing+N+gh = 18+26+8+3 = 55 = 10

                    The+End+F = 11+17+6 = 34 = 7
                    Sever+Drawing+Nigh = 21+26+14 = 61 = 7

                    Once again, removal of “I” and substitution of “F” for “I” make these equations balance!
                    [/quoting you]

                    On some of these lines you take out only some of the ‘i’s but not all of them. Why split the line up arbitrarily between “is” and “ever”? Oh sorry, between the “I” and the “s” of the word “is”? And why not replace all of the Is with Fs? Your consistency is lacking, which tells me you are not also Not4but2far plane crash guy, but if you had fun with your solve that’s all that really matters. Everyone should be having fun, right? Or at least someone.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Knight View Post
                      Ew. Is the hunt a math game? Pardon me, gents. I'm out.
                      That's a fine-looking honey in your avatar. Not that honey should be judged solely on its looks.

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                      • #26
                        I'm trying to follow this thread but I can't find a solid bottom to start like, I dunno 'H' or 'K' or 'X' or '2' or 'I' or 'N'. It does seem arbitrary as Rose says but I'm trying to figure out how to weave it. I mean, is it linear? Spiral? I'm seeing a spider web patterrn. That means you've got radials! Thanks. Dagnabbit. Frankly I'm beat all to hell after tonight. I guess I asked for it, though. Math is not my fort. My fort is made of cushions from the sofa and it has a sign that says No Gurls Alowed (bell out of order please knock.) Haha. Sorry. I'm ready for vocational therapy at the funny farm. Someone slip me a pack of smokes when my dad isn't looking. I'm not pooped out but I've lost my vinegar. Not dyeing. Feel like it though. Whew!! If I was good at numbers like you MS I'd have a nice job at some bank and not be working on the railroad here trying to win me a few shekels.

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                        • #27
                          Good morning, Rose. Thanks for your comment.

                          Rightfully all totals greater than 10 should be reduced, and I did not do that in all cases. I apologize.

                          Nevertheless, equivalence is equivalence at any point. Full reduction simply adds another step and I sometimes chose to skip it.

                          Not all lines validate exactly the same way, I agree. My presentation simply shows you the equalities that I found. I make no claim that the final answer that I derived is correct at all. Rather, I say that something is wrong somewhere because the treasure was not at the exact GPS location derived. I am asking for help to determine what the error might be. Possible errors include:

                          The entire concept is incorrect. All work product developed was due to random chance.

                          The solution process was identified correctly (or at least partially correctly), but there are significant computational errors that compromised the outcome.

                          All other objections you, or others, would like to articulate.

                          Objectively, Rose, your feedback falls into the third category, and is virtually irrelevant. Please allow me some time to explain that conclusion more fully.

                          Your comment focused on Line 10, but in the pecking order of importance to validation, Line 10 is a long way from the top of the food tree.

                          If you want to invalidate everything presented, you need to begin at the beginning, the keyword and the letter wheels.

                          As you did not object to the selection of, or use of, " Listen" as keyword, nor the numerical arrangement of the first wheel upon which everything is predicated, I'll assume that you're on board with that.

                          Similarly, you did not object to any of the wheel addition instructions or computations. So, again, I'll assume you're on board with those.

                          Nor did you object to the math shown in Line 22, the most important gatekeeper of process output validity, IMO.

                          You did object to the removal of "I" so let's start with that and I'll try to keep the simple and brief.

                          By instruction, Line 17, "I" must go.

                          So apply this to Lines 13 and 23 first. These are the "IF" Lines. Mathematic structure of these Lines is identical:

                          If: You = W SE and found the blaze.
                          If: You = Brave and N the wood.

                          You = 23 (letter total)
                          W SE and found the blaze = 23 (reduced word totals)
                          Brave and N the wood = 23 (reduced word totals)

                          My contention, Rose, is that all validation points after these relationships have been identified are really unnecessary. Randomness has been completely eliminated. The process has generated an incredible series of corroborating outputs . . . More than enough for anyone to see that there is something real here. And whether you, or anyone else wants to admit it is quite irrelevant to that conclusion.

                          Consider the letter wheels for a second.

                          The top line contains the anagram "BLAZE". Given that any letter wheel concept would automatically start with "A" on top line, that letter can be assigned a 100% chance of occurrence.

                          Next, instruction begin "IT." Adding second wheel with T next to I carries a 4 in 26 chance that "B, E, L, or Z" would end up next to "A."

                          Now, similarly, next three instructions, no matter how derived, carry 3/26, 2/26, 1/26 chance of hitting remaining letters.

                          Total odds:

                          4×3×2×1/26×26×26×26 = .0000525191 X 100 = .00525191 % chance.

                          So, I suppose there's a chance . . . Lol.

                          Now factor in that all subsequent instructions are formatted the same (verb/distance/direction), but the math is different for each one makes the odds of random chance even lower, but I admittedly don't know how to calculate those effects accurately. So I'll ignore them and say that the fractional odds presented are more than good enough to prove my point that there is something real happening here and I think it's worth your time to investigate further.

                          I look forward to additional feedback from anyone still interested in this work.

                          Regards To All.
















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                          • #28
                            I see why you would think that acquiescence to disputing every tiny minutia would appear to you that on those absent points I in ‘in agreement’. However, I assure you that is not the case. I clearly stated I don’t have four hours to double check your poem letter-rearranging, anagram making, homophone believing, line splitting, random number/letter assignment. When you say that all of these methods are required to solve the poem I don’t think you looked below the surface to find the symbolism or metaphor meanings behind and underlying this puzzle. It doesn’t lead to one specific number representing a GPS coordinate. It leads to a specific spot on the planet, yes, but from that one spot you can make sense of everything. And by everything I mean all of knowledge in its full head-on entirety over all space and time. Prove me wrong.

                            edit. I think people in this hunt should be very careful what they wish for. I Always read the fine print for anything as least as important as a cell contract, and I’m sure as hell not going to point out loopholes if they’re in my favor. I don’t believe in no-win situations. Not that I believe I can’t lose, obviously I’m not holding a bronze box full of goodies, just that in that scenario- there’s a higher wrapper where there is no loss. I believe in the ‘highest’ wrapper everyone’s solve is correct. Take linear and make it simultaneous. Now, would Atlas still want to shrug if he knew someone else would have to take his place? No- he’d do what he needed to and hold that m*thrf*ker up till he absolutely couldn’t. And then, maybe for the eight minutes it would take for a full brain upload.
                            Now, we’ve all seen crazy solves and assured each other that we’re all the same- all are a bit crazy. I’m no different. Someone said that my view made me ‘charitable’. Eh, I’ve been called far worse by far more creative.
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                            • #29
                              Rose Livingstone

                              I cannot disprove your statement, and you know it. If you want to provide work product of a mathematic nature, I'd be happy to spend some time reviewing it. If it's sound, I'll let you know; if not, I'll tell you why not.

                              I have never claimed to have any meaningful knowledge of metaphors, symbols, or anything along those lines. In fact, I've specifically taken great pains to limit my investigations into things that can be objectively evaluated. Naturally this choice creates limitations, blind spots. So if you'd be kind enough to expound on your position, I would be grateful. Because at this point further debate seems counterproductive.

                              I've provided my work for full evaluation by anyone interested. Whether it interests you is an outcome completely out of my control. Dig in, or not . . . As you please.

                              Regards.

                              P.S. "Damaged" anagrams to "Dad Game." Marvin was a school teacher. Perhaps he loved arithmetic, or codes, or . . . ? Perhaps this is just another rabbit hole? Doesn't really matter either way, does it?





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                                HINT REMOVED.
                                Last edited by UNtitleD Brave; 09-15-2021, 02:38 PM.

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