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    As I have gone alone in there
    AND with my treasures bold
    I can keep my secret where
    AND hint of riches new AND old

    Begin it where warm waters halt
    AND take it in THE canyon down
    Not far but too far to walk
    Put in below THE home of BROWN

    From there it's no place for THE meek
    THE end is ever drawing nigh
    There'll be no paddle up your creek
    Just heavy loads AND water high

    If you've been wise AND found THE blaze
    Look quickly down your quest to cease
    But tarry scant with marvel gaze
    Just take THE chest AND go in peace

    So why is it that I must go
    AND leave my trove for all to seek
    THE answer I already know
    I've done it tired AND now I'm weak

    So hear me all AND listen good
    Your effort will be worth THE cold
    If you are brace AND in THE wood
    I give you title to THE gold

    AND . . . Used 11 times on 10 different lines
    THE . . . Used 10 times on 10 different lines
    Hints that BASE 10 math is needed

    AND . . . DNA . . . DAN (BROWN)
    Hint that LETTER WHEELS are used and that the Solver needs to unlock the CRYPTEX DEVICE (similar to one used in Dan Brown's "Da Vinci Code")

    BROWN . . . Be aRe OWN
    Hint that BASE 10 math works across all forms of "To BE"
    Note that all uses of "To BE" occur after (below) Line 8

    Four Coners of Poem . . . Lines 1/24:

    As . . . therE
    I . . . GolD

    AE
    ID

    Reading Counterclockwise:
    AIDE . . . IDEA . . . I = DEA . . . I (secret) = 4+5+1 = 10

    Hints to use BASE 10 math and LETTER WHEELS

    Next Four Corners . . . Lines 2/23:

    And . . . bolD
    If . . . wooD

    AD
    ID

    Reading Clockwise:
    I ADD . . . I = ADD . . . I (hint) = 1+4+4 = 9

    Hint to use BASE 9 math . . . This gets you going . . . Correlations are CRUDE, but more than enough to give you confidence that THE SOLUTION can be found by using MATH across "To BE."

    The POEM is all you need to develop completely actionable answers.

    You do not need TTOTC.
    You do not need the SCRAPBOOKS.
    You do not need to make ASSUMPTIONS about what FENN meant by this statement, or that doodle, or that piece of video.
    You do not need to read his mind, or decipher his pictures, or look for Photoshop changes.
    You do need to wade through myriad numerical permutations and multiple possible solution techniques until you hit the right one where everything solves.

    Fortunately for you, I've already done that work and spoon fed it to you via Moon Code.

    Want PROOF?

    Sit down and do the MATH.

    IT works.

    LISTEN is the key word . . . L is 10

    If: L is 10 . . . BASE 10 used and that makes C = A (old) = 1

    Write starter wheel . . .

    A = 5
    B = 6
    C = 1
    D = 2
    E = 3
    F = 4
    G = 5
    H = 6
    I = 7
    J = 8
    K = 9
    L = 10
    M = 1
    N = 2
    O = 3
    P = 4
    Q = 5
    R = 6
    S = 7
    T = 8
    U = 9
    V = 10
    W = 1
    X = 2
    Y = 3
    Z = 4

    Notes:

    C is now A . . . I CAN . . . C A IN . . . A lone IN there

    B is now Z . . . BLAZE . . . B la Zee . . . B the Zee . . .

    FENN'S words, not mine . . . But I had to think of them differently in order for them to guide me towards this solution properly.

    If you understand the information in this post, you can independently unlock the safe and convert the poem to a single number grid from which coordinates can be read directly.

    If you don't understand or choose to disregard the information provided in this post, I cannot help you.

    If you have questions related to this post, please post them to this thread and I'll try to answer them as clearly as I can.

    If you don't want to engage in serious discussions regarding this work, please direct your attention elsewhere, as I have nothing of value to offer you.

    Regards To All.
















  • #2
    I think Mr f was likely afraid to use simple syphers (except to confirm). It would have to be a unique format if the actual solution was to be gleaned from this. The poem structure is very strange though, but its as likely made that way to pull one in as much as to defend.

    Never attack a castle at the front gate is always my approach.

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    • #3
      More about "To Be" and crude BASE 9 markers.

      A=1, B=2 . . . I=9
      J=1, K=2 . . . R=9
      S=1, T=2 . . . Z=8

      Line 9: IT is NO . . . IT = NO . . .
      IT = 9+2 = 11
      NO = 5+6=11

      Line 10: END is EVER . . .
      END = 5+5+4 = 14 . . . 1+4 = 5
      EVER = 5+4+5+9 = 23 . . . 2+3 = 5

      Line 11: THERE will be NO . . .
      THERE = 2+8+5+9+5 = 29 . . . 2+9 = 11
      NO = 5+6 = 11

      Line 13: YOU have been WISE or W is E . . .
      YOU = 7+5+3 = 15 . . . 1+5 = 6
      WISE = 5+9+1+5 = 20 . . . 2+0 = 2

      YOU not equal WISE, but . . .

      W = 5
      E = 5

      Line 17: WHY is IT
      WHY = 5+8+7 = 20 . . . 2+0 = 2
      IT = 9+2 = 11 . . . 1+1 = 2

      Line 20: I am WEAK
      I = 9
      WEAK = 5+5+1+2 = 13 . . . 1+3 = 4

      I not equal WEAK . . . I must be STRONG

      Line 21: L is TEN
      L = 3
      TEN = 2+5+5 = 12 . . . 1+2 = 3

      Line 22: EFFORT will be WORTH
      EFFORT = 5+6+6+5+9+2 = 33 . . . 3+3 = 6
      WORTH = 5+6+9+2+8 = 30 . . . 3+0 = 3

      EFFORT = WORTH X 2

      Line 23: YOU are BRAVE
      YOU = 7+5+3 = 15 . . . 1+5 = 6
      BRAVE = 2+9+1+4+5 = 21 . . . 2+1 = 3

      YOU = BRAVE X 2

      SUMMARIZING:

      10 uses on 9 different lines.
      Correlations solid, but CRUDE.

      Objective established . . . Be strong . . . Figure out how to make the math work EVERYWHERE with full lines solving, not just words or letters directly across "To BE."

      These are the signposts in the desert. Follow them and see where they lead.

      They take you to the Moon and Stars . . . And a coordinate in Wyoming.

      Regards To All.

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      • #4
        Ew. Is the hunt a math game? Pardon me, gents. I'm out.

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        • #5
          Forrest told us to simplify it, so I took the novel approach. The book helped.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mr Eyes View Post
            Forrest told us to simplify it, so I took the novel approach. The book helped.
            A novel approach is definitely the road untraveled.
            I don’t want to learn the same things over and over, so being able to remember them would be helpful. I always put my car keys in the same place. That just makes good, common sense. Someone keeps moving my toothbrush though.

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            • #7
              So for those of YOU still following along . . .

              Did anyone catch the clear and obvious math error in my last post?

              Probably not . . . It's very doubtful that anyone out there is independently verifying my work . . .

              YOU is not 7+5+3 = 15
              YOU is 7+6+3 = 16

              YOU is still not equal to WISE or to BRAVE, so functionally the error is meaningless . . . But any mistake of this kind can lead one to draw incorrect conclusions, such as YOU is not BRAVE X 2! That conclusion was incorrect!

              Now that I have your attention (maybe) . . .

              I = 9
              DONE = 4+6+5+5 = 20 = 2+0 = 2
              IT = 9+2 = 11 = 1+1 = 2
              TIRED = 2+9+9+5+4 = 29 = 2+9 = 11 = 1+1 = 2
              AND = 1+5+4 = 10 = 1+0 = 1
              NOW = 5+6+5 = 16 = 1+6 = 7
              I = 9

              WEAK = 5+5+1+2 = 13

              DONE + IT + TIRED + NOW = 2+2+2+7 = 13

              This one helps potential solvers begin to see the bigger picture whereby phrases and indeed full sentences can become mathematically equivalent.

              In short, it was a long tedious road from these initial flashes of insight to the full Moon Creek solution, but hopefully my posts help someone out there in the Audience.

              And if math is not your thing, simply ignore this thread, please. It's not meant for you. Thanks.

              Regards To All Still Interested.




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              • #8
                Originally posted by MoonScavenger View Post
                So for those of YOU still following along . . .

                Did anyone catch the clear and obvious math error in my last post?

                Probably not . . . It's very doubtful that anyone out there is independently verifying my work . . .

                YOU is not 7+5+3 = 15
                YOU is 7+6+3 = 16

                YOU is still not equal to WISE or to BRAVE, so functionally the error is meaningless . . . But any mistake of this kind can lead one to draw incorrect conclusions, such as YOU is not BRAVE X 2! That conclusion was incorrect!

                Now that I have your attention (maybe) . . .

                I = 9
                DONE = 4+6+5+5 = 20 = 2+0 = 2
                IT = 9+2 = 11 = 1+1 = 2
                TIRED = 2+9+9+5+4 = 29 = 2+9 = 11 = 1+1 = 2
                AND = 1+5+4 = 10 = 1+0 = 1
                NOW = 5+6+5 = 16 = 1+6 = 7
                I = 9

                WEAK = 5+5+1+2 = 13

                DONE + IT + TIRED + NOW = 2+2+2+7 = 13

                This one helps potential solvers begin to see the bigger picture whereby phrases and indeed full sentences can become mathematically equivalent.

                In short, it was a long tedious road from these initial flashes of insight to the full Moon Creek solution, but hopefully my posts help someone out there in the Audience.

                And if math is not your thing, simply ignore this thread, please. It's not meant for you. Thanks.

                Regards To All Still Interested.



                I always thought that math was far more difficult than simply adding numbers. On that summing I always got A’s, but I was afraid for C’s and D’s later on. So probably I had been able to become an engineer, if I had known how simple math was.

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                • #9
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fGHaVn5rGo

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MoonScavenger View Post
                    So for those of YOU still following along . . .

                    Did anyone catch the clear and obvious math error in my last post?

                    Probably not . . . It's very doubtful that anyone out there is independently verifying my work . . .

                    YOU is not 7+5+3 = 15
                    YOU is 7+6+3 = 16

                    YOU is still not equal to WISE or to BRAVE, so functionally the error is meaningless . . . But any mistake of this kind can lead one to draw incorrect conclusions, such as YOU is not BRAVE X 2! That conclusion was incorrect!
                    I noticed before when you used "answer" instead of the plural "answers" as it appears in the poem. Does that make any difference?


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                    • #11
                      Answer vs Answers is a riddle in itself. Fenn published it both ways and said that it's up to the Solver to determine which to use. He also said it makes no difference, so take it for what you will. I personally found that the singular form worked mathematically, so I used it. Right, wrong? You can be the judge.

                      Good question. Thanks.

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                      • #12
                        A question was asked about Line 15 on a different thread, but I'm answering it here.

                        Assuming that my process was correct and that I executed the math properly the final letter values for use are:

                        A=1, B=2, . . . F=6
                        G=1, H=2, . . . P=10
                        Q=1, R=2, . . . Z=10

                        Now try letter swaps using embedded "AR" as "Are" . . .
                        ​​​Examples:
                        WarM . . . M are W and/or W are M
                        MarVel . . . V are M and/or M are V

                        Also apply alternative reading via homophone . . .

                        Also consider anagrams . . .

                        Apply all to Line 15:

                        But tarry scant with marvel gaze . . .
                        But tarry scant Mith WarM el gaze . . .
                        B=Be U=You TTARRYSCANTMITH WarM el gaze . . .
                        Anagram of TTARRYSCANTMITH = STARRY CAN MTT (with TT = 44) HIT!

                        Final Arrangement, Instruction as Read:
                        For WARM view, look skyward . . . Find constellation Cancer . . . Focus on Beehive Cluster, aka M44 . . . There you'll see my "Canopy of Stars."

                        Now interestingly, the final Longitude time stamp is:
                        109 44 8.242 W
                        MTT = 44 W . . . 4+4 = 8 . . . 4 X 2 = 8 (Use: As I Halve) . . . 242 = Too Far To (Walk)

                        Admittedly this is complicated stuff. It definitely borders on specialized knowledge because I did have to do research to educate myself on the stars in Cancer. But with that knowledge in hand, the Line revealed itself to me after the main work was already accomplished.

                        While this feels wildly out of sequence, I'm going to post it anyway. WTH. I'm mostly talking to myself here, it seems.

                        Regards To All.

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                        • #13
                          Gobbledygook

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                          • #14

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                            • #15
                              So where was I? . . .
                              Sometimes I get lost in my own gobbledygook . . .

                              Oh, yes . . .
                              Longitude: 109 44 8.242 W

                              Line 1:

                              As I have gone . . .
                              "A" South "I" halve go "N" East . . .

                              Note: N = 8 in New Math!
                              Note Also: Use of letter "N" as a place direction works, too! . . . Watch . . .

                              Apply directions to the poem written as a letter grid below . . .

                              AS
                              AND
                              ICANKEEP
                              ANDHINTO
                              BEGINITW
                              ANDTAKEI
                              NOTFARBU
                              PUTINBEL
                              FROMTHER
                              THEENDIS

                              Begin on "A" in "As"
                              See "A" in "And" and "I" directly below, south on map
                              Go East from "I", Line 3, to letter "N" in "Can"
                              This is 4 spaces . . . Half the move dictated . . .
                              4x2 = 8
                              Continue move to "P" in "Keep" . . . by homophone = KEY P!

                              Wait did I just create 44/8?
                              Well, yes . . . Yes, I did.

                              Waters, Old math . . .
                              W
                              ATE=Eight by homophone and A+T+E=1+2+5=8
                              RS=Last 2 letters of the 8 letter string going cany on down from the key P . . . R+S= 9+1=10

                              "S" in "Is" is Line 10, Column 8

                              String begins with P
                              Moves down vertically forming string of shape="I"
                              Length of string = 8 characters
                              Everything fits . . .

                              Longitude Full Letter String: POWIULRS
                              POWIULRS = 109.735623 = 109 44 8.242

                              You don't have to like my solution . . .
                              But you do have to DISPROVE it!

                              You see, there is a difference between a mathematical solution and an imaginary one. Here everything can be checked for veracity.

                              So go to town, Mr. Eyes! Have at it! I'm looking forward to your rational efforts to disprove my full solution.

                              Video of you recovering the chest with a GPS coordinate different from mine would be a great way to go about this. So, Jack, if you're out there, put me in my place, Brother! Prove me wrong . . . If you can, that IS!

                              Consider that a challenge, Jack . . .

                              Regards To All!







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