Everything But The Blaze -- Madison (Nine Mile Hole)

[GCCG]

Knowledge,
If NMH isn't the correct general area, then where are you suggesting the general area is?
Is there any reason to remain enigmatic since the chest has been found?

GCG

[Knowledge]

I hate to tell everyone, but if you believe nine mile is the solution, you never had a chance at finding the treasure chest.
It is clear you do not have the ability to remember things Forrest said about the chest location, and the number of people who solved clues.
People can pretend Cynthia, Dal or others who knew Forrest know more than others. The truth is they were poor searches who ran from place to place.
Never seeing the clues and hints in the book TTOTC. Forrest put the main clue right in front of people, and to this day they can't see it.
If you did not have the ability to solve it, you might not have the ability to see the real solution.
It turned out it was not just from wwwh to the chest, how could it be ? If wwwh is the first clue and your quest to cease is the last.
And every word in the poem mattered, if you can't grasp what that means, no one can help.
One more hint for the hard-headed, if at the end you find yourself at the beginning, what could that mean ?
It means you start the poem over, the reason the 3rd book landed on Time.
The way wwwh can be the first and quest to cease can be the last and all the poem matters.
It is NOT rocket science, it's common sense.
Anyone who says nine mile is the solution, is also saying Forrest lied and cheated.
They are cherry-picking what Forrest said was true and what was a lie.
I am sorry the truth is the truth,if you want more, I am all in with your little games of we are the lead searchers. Ping ping ping. You can't even hear the ding ding ding.
Imagination is more important than knowle ge on a bell, only Forrest left out the D then he prayed for Ds and no one would listen,DING ring this bell and I will know.
For whom the bell tolls Ding but but but there is a picture of nine mile in the book and 9 clues a da !
Now line up and tell me I am wrong, and leave your name, so we know who can't see. I already have a list of names, of the blind who say Forrest lied.

[GCCG]

Ok, to continue my post and to clarify. I'm not saying that Forrest did put numbers in the poem.
What I'm saying is we should look to see if there are some easy or obvious hints to confirm this NMH solution
Forrest has been quoted to have said something like; if your solution can't be simply wrote on a stick note or a napkin, then its probably wrong.
He said multiple times that it was straight forward with no subterfuge (the word subterfuge means something underneath or hidden).
He said ‘Some searchers overrate the complexity of the search. Knowing about head pressures, foot pounds, acre feet, bible verses, Latin, cubic inches, icons, fonts, charts, graphs, formulas, curved lines, magnetic variation, codes, depth meters, riddles, drones or ciphers, will not assist anyone to the treasure location, although those things have been offered as positive solutions.

Therefore, we might very easily be able to find the confirmer which allowed Jack to positively identify not only WWWH but also the general area of where Forrest hid the treasure -
Confidently enough to grid search for 25 days (at some point).

It should be obvious, IF we think the right thoughts. That's what Forrest said...
The poem finishes with the instruction to "hear me all" and "listen good"
If we take Forrest at his word and the poem is straight forward - then there is something important or KEY to hear in the poem that helps us solve the clues.
Forrest said the 1st clue is "Begin IT" and "where warm waters halt"
And "Y is IT" (Y for Yellowstone) and "my trove for all to seek" (largest collection of Thermal Waters in the world along the Firehole River in Yellowstone)
Then "Blaze" could also be a play on this thought as well since a "Fire" can be a "blaze."

Another interesting thing to "hear" in the poem is; "I can keep my secret where"
The word "where" sounds a lot like; "weir"
In the old days this referred to a "fishing weir" or perhaps even a "fishing hole." Or might have been his secret fishing hole (at one time).

GCG

[GCCG]

So I haven't posted in a while but in our process to either invalidate or validate the NMH solution set, we should take a look at the poem more closely for the confirmers which Forrest alluded to in his question and answer sessions - he was positive that someone with a logical mind could figure it out - there was some clear method of solving the poems clues - at least to Forrest.

With this in mind I'd like to mention a few things that stand out to me: Forrest was asked if someone could figure out the correct WWWH if all they had was Begin it where warm water halts and somewhere north of Santa Fe; to which he responded "NO" you simplify the clues to much (or something close to that). And he said over and over if you don't have WWWH nailed down then you don't have anything - this strongly suggest that something else in the poem aids a searcher in "nailing" down the starting point.

I believe that this implies a confirmer and I'd assert this is in Stanza's 5 and 6 particularly:
"So whY is IT that I must go and leave my trove for all to seek."
"I've done it tired, and now I'm weak."

Forrest says in his books that he considered himself one of the greatest collectors in the world and if we assume for the sake of argument that "Y" is a hint to "Yellowstone" because he has done everything in Yellowstone exhaustively (plus in his introduction to "To Far to Walk" he specifically calls out the Madison and that he is now to tired to do it again) and it contains the greatest collection of hot water thermal features in the world - THEN we have a definitive WWWH place to begin!

The line between My Trove & I've done it tired is: "The Answers I already know." The use of the word "answer" might suggest a need to find "numbers" in the poem to assist in some precision once the a definitive Starting Point has been figured out.

The next thing I've never heard anyone mention is how the phrase "for all to seek" also potentially parallels the number sequence 0, 4, 2, 4, 2 (which many have seen in the verse "Not far, but to far to walk." The phrase "four all" in baseball would mean; the game is "4 to 4" or 4, 2, 4.

It's interesting that if you measure the road distance from Madison Junction to the Rock it is almost exactly 2.42 miles.
If this is true then it might be interesting to look up the Firehole to determine exactly where 4 miles might find us...??? I haven't done that.

What do you guys think:

GCG

[Vertigo]

Top is an oil painting. Bottom is a photo from the same perspective, looking up the Madison river from just below 9MH.

[jan_v60]

And don’t forget this picture and look where Forrest’s index finger is pointing to.

[jan_v60]

jan_v60

Just FYI, the latitude for Washington, Iowa is 41.3014 N, not 43.3 N as you wrote above. Two full degrees of latitude constitutes a significant error, though I suspect you simply mistyped your number. Regards.

Of course it was a typo. It is all about 41.3 or 41°18’ N. I join the picture of my landfill at Evanston. The error range is about 0.1 minute or 6 seconds. So both locations (Fenn Rock at 9MH and Washington (Iowa)) share each one coordinate with my location, where those lines cross.
The first images show also the landfill shaped in the form of an ‘F’ or a ‘colt’ or a pi symbol if you want. It is also a hand with the index finger pointing to the location of the chest. Call it « a higher hand » (in the mountains). And you can only see it from te top of Medicine Butte (But tarry scant), not from the Bear river Valley (Upuceet: Up you see it)..SB 107…and Florence (SB107) is known for the historical family of The Medici. The form of the landfill on GE did not change during the last 12 years ( due to geographic/geological reasons)
But I explained this all before on this blog.

[MoonScavenger]

jan_v60

Just FYI, the latitude for Washington, Iowa is 41.3014 N, not 43.3 N as you wrote above. Two full degrees of latitude constitutes a significant error, though I suspect you simply mistyped your number. Regards.

[jan_v60]

Hi jan_v60 everything you've asked about is in this thread, but I will summarize here for convenience.



The coordinates you provided are at the lower extremity of Lower Nine Mile.
Middle Nine Mile is the gently curved section of river near the parking area, shown in yellow.
Nine Mile Hole is indicated in red. It's a deep channel adjacent to a lava shelf, immediately below (i.e. downstream of) the creek outlet.
Fenn Rock is indicated in light blue. It's located precisely at 44.648415, -110.938838

The suspected hiding spot is in one of two areas, depending on the exact interpretation of the last few clues:
A - Directly across from the put in location used to cross the river, as described in the original post.
B - Left (i.e. east) of the put in location, closer to the creek, as discussed subsequently in the thread.
Nobody can give exact coordinates of the hiding spot in these areas because the blaze has not been identified conclusively.

Please note that the river flows from east to west (i.e. right to left) in the image provided.

I do not believe the treasure was hidden near 9MH, but I think 9MH is worth a reflection!!! Simply mirror the -110.939 coördinate down. Go in a straight line south to the area of Evanston (in the extreme south-west of WY) and this line will cross the landfill on Medicine Butte (Frémont’s Monument), that plays an important role in my solution. TTOTC and the poem can lead you to 9MH, but IMO it is only a starting point for the real solution.
For people looking for more lines to cross, you know that Forrest had something with Washington (the painting in his gallery and the fallen gravestone with inscription Mary wife of Washington). There is a small town in Iowa, called Washington. This town is situated at 43,3 degrees West, exactly such as my landfill at Evanston. I would remind that it were not those coordinates that brought me to Evanston, but in first place WWWH, the home of Brown, etc….

[Cary_Galloway]

I talked to Mr Fenn after the find to talk about the find location.
The CHEST was FOUND on the LARAMIE river. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THESE WORDS
WWWH IS THE BIG HOLLOW, THE HOB IS WOODS LANDING FACT NOT PING

Sure you did.

[Knowledge]

Indeed. No 1st clue (airport), no blaze (remains of your flight).

Wrong airport my man Laramie airport, and it is not wwwh it is next to wwwh

[Knowledge]

That's not what FF says here:
"try to marry the map with a certain place"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NZvpIQKCpI

With all this free time take out the old book TTOTC read it tell me what is the number three is for,

hint hint hint the 3rd book landed on TIME

[Knowledge]

That's not what FF says here:
"try to marry the map with a certain place"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NZvpIQKCpI

Ch CH CH Cheery Picking again You still do not get it, I talked to Mr Fenn after the find to talk about the find location.
The CHEST was FOUND on the LARAMIE river. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THESE WORDS
WWWH IS THE BIG HOLLOW, THE HOB IS WOODS LANDING FACT NOT PING

[Cary_Galloway]

May I ask, have you ever listen to Forrest Fenn and how he told people to solve the poem.
That each clue was to be married to a place on the map.
He made sure everyone knew what the word several means, then he told everyone several people have figured out the first two clues.
So you are telling everyone, only at most five people figured out wwwh and the canyon down. Think about what you are saying.

That's not what FF says here:
"try to marry the map with a certain place"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NZvpIQKCpI

[Not4but242Walk]

Although many have tried, I doubt that anyone will find the blaze before they have figured out the first clue. f

Indeed. No 1st clue (airport), no blaze (remains of your flight).