The Scrapbooks

[trueyeti]

I hope that the certainty of location you have brings you closure. I have seen hundreds of posts from various searchers expressing such certainty about various spots. I fully understand it because I've been in that situation before - many times - and it was probably the "certainty" that motivated me to continue the chase. But I also recall FF's comments about flexibility and being able to adjust.

I was not one of the original searchers, but I joined the chase after the 2013 TV promotion of the treasure hunt. I dread to think how much of the last decade I've devoted to this madness - even to the extent of reciting the poem over and over during the middle of the night, probing for a crack that would allow true insight.

But it's only post-find that something dawned on me. I came to the conclusion that we were never meant to find the chest as photographed. On the surface of it that sounds like sour grapes regarding Jack's discovery. But I don't think Jack would argue that the find has been the kind of dream-come-true experience that we all thought would be the outcome. And it doesn't make any difference whether he found it by following the poem, tracking slip-ups, or subterfuge; there was no real "golden" moment for him.

I've said before that I think the chest was a lure and that it doesn't matter too much where that box was hidden. What matters is the education. So much of TTOTC is dedicated to learning - at home, in school, in Yellowstone, at college (almost), in the Air Force, through history - and mainly via experience. The point was to get us out there learning; about ourselves, about each other, about nature and - dare I say it - about spirituality.

However, I don't think that's the final word. Education by itself is valuable, but Forrest used what he learned to further his chosen activities (highly successfully). If all we needed to do was grab a degree in woodcraft then there would have been no need for the post-find shenanigans. I think we're supposed to do something with our acquired skills - something that will help with Forrest's epitaph. Breadcrumbs were dropped, IMO, but there are a lot of crows out there ready to gobble them up.

Wonderful, Bravo. I add that I have recently come to open myself to the possibility that the poem is an allegory. When looked at through the looking glass of allegory, the meaning of the poem takes on new meaning. For example.....gnosis....or knowing.... "The answers I already know." Well...gnosis is:esoteric knowledge of spiritual truth held by the ancient Gnostics to be essential to salvation.

Throw in the alchemical pursuit of transforming lead into gold and it's spiritual connotations...and there you have it in the last line of the poem...."I give you title to the gold." Does the transformative effect on the soul result from the chase of the quarry....the quest? Is the transformation represented by the T.S. Elliot quote? Sure, and why not? IMO...this is a common theme in literature and myth.....and good story telling....the story behind the story of Forrest's? Maybe, maybe not.....

Far-fetched...sure...but why not? Why do you think that you were drawn to the chase like you describe? You had it pretty good....reciting the poem in bed...hahaha.... Same goes for all of us. IMO, at the surface level, the chase is about the chest of gold, however....that is not the end of the story. IMO...the rest of the story...is revealed by location...and the story behind the story is there. That is why location matters, IMO. The location reveals the things that I am alluding to regarding allegory and "gnosis," IMO. That Bisti proves location.....IMO, that is where that story behind the story has led me to open to the idea that the poem is an allegory. Fishing? Well....Jesus said, "I will make you the fishers of men," didn't he? Is this the lure? Maybe...if one can open themselves to allegory.....

Forrest said "a lot of people were going to be surprised." Didn't he also say, something about "how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go" Well....if we want to discover the secret(s) to the answer(s) that he already knows...then it follows that those answers and secrets...are held in the story of his location. That is the story behind the story, IMO. For example, for me the clue for "Not far, but too far to walk," was the Ojo Alamo Spring in Bisti. (Site of Richard Wetherill's store). I researched; the Apache consider the Ojo (Cottonwood tree) as the symbol of the Sun. So.....the Ojo Alamo Spring.....can render "the eye of the sun, where the water is." It doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to find meaning in this....tears of the eye of the Sun.....the eye of providence....the eye of god....etc......IMO, this fits with what Forrest said when he said, "a lot of people were going to be surprised." Well....how deep down the rabbit hole do you want to go? Location...is just the beginning of the story behind Forrest's story....IMO....

[Livinlifebig]

One thing that often gets forgotten is that any solution now presented can only have credence if it clearly demonstrates the need for the post-find secrecy and subterfuge, not to mention the scrapbook anomalies.

At the start of this thread, RussDana gave a little background to how some of the SBs originated. In a later post he expressed confusion as to why the bobcat story is massaged to have Forrest as the finder and friend of this feline. SB 235 is about a crossbreed, the product of two related, but distinct, subspecies, with characteristics of both. What is Forrest really telling us in an odd story which hints at the importance of DNA? It is just one example of a peculiar tale that must have some special meaning, since it appears to be hijacked and retold this way for a specific purpose.

At this stage, IMO, it is not sufficient to simply promote a geographical spot without reference to the immense effort put in by Forrest to keep the story hidden and the hints so bizarre. Despite court cases, photographs, an auction, an "outing" and myriad "aberrations," we are no further forward than three years ago. All the solutions promulgated here recently seem to have nothing to say about what is really behind all this. If a solution fails to substantially and adequately address these issues, I doubt it has much validity.

I concur, Forrest like this father was a teacher at heart. We may not have needed to know certain things that he said wasn't needed to find the treadure, but he wanted us to learn them. To attain knowledge. Even history.

Thats why Forrest described the place he hid the treasure as a "site"...

[trueyeti]

I concur, Forrest like this father was a teacher at heart. We may not have needed to know certain things that he said wasn't needed to find the treadure, but he wanted us to learn them. To attain knowledge. Even history.

Thats why Forrest described the place he hid the treasure as a "site"...

Whoa....and what is site....but "sight?" And what is the word that is key? Well, the word "I" = "Eye".....the eye is what gives "focus," as in "tight focus," as in "tight focus with a word that is key." Anyway.....site! Yeah....."To attain knowledge. Even history." Huh...."As I have gone alone in there?" Well....where? Inside? The soul? Allegory......and why not?

[Livinlifebig]

Whoa....and what is site....but "sight?" And what is the word that is key? Well, the word "I" = "Eye".....the eye is what gives "focus," as in "tight focus," as in "tight focus with a word that is key." Anyway.....site! Yeah....."To attain knowledge. Even history." Huh...."As I have gone alone in there?" Well....where? Inside? The soul? Allegory......and why not?

Ok I'll bite, how does the word "I" get married to a good map?

[Star Shadow]

Ok I'll bite, how does the word "I" get married to a good map?

Good eye! a key question

[trueyeti]

Ok I'll bite, how does the word "I" get married to a good map?

Give it a shot...The riddle of TOTTC/poem....scales....it is "scalable." Like I said earlier, Brown....means one thing at home, before your first BOTG trip, however, the value for "Brown" changes with 10 BOTG trips.....Forrest's metaphor usage of variable operating metaphors.....makes "Marry to a Map" -scalable also.

In the progression of the solve, to "Marry to a map means one thing"....but as you progress, the value of "Marry to a map" means another. Like a "fractal" zooming in and zooming out.....different scales. For example at home...you may zoom in on the "X-Marks the spot" at Bisti and in this way, you Marry the X....to the Map for location. You can Marry the "X" in New Mexico...to Bisti. However, the "fractal" nature of Forrest's riddle (the meaning of Marry the Poem to a Map) then pivots....to another metaphor and meaning at Bisti. Why? Well, that is where the "I" now kicks in to mean the symbol on the eye...or the "I" of the frog. Contained therein...is the symbol of the "Eye" (W/M) which is equivalent to the "I." (Tight focus with a word that is key).

Now....within in the Wilderness area....is where the 9-Clues are contained within that symbol: the W/M....the symbol of the "eye," the symbol of the "I." And that is an example of how the location, meaning, and scale...."Marry the Map," within the larger location of the "X-Marks the spot," and "scale" within that area with the I/eye/W/M/9-Clues. These variable operating metaphors in this instance connect to each other in a hidden way (tight focus with a word that is key). In this way too....the X and the I.....Marry the Map.....at "scale." (Fractal nature of the solve). The "key?" ...... understanding this, unlocks the door to meaning, and exposes the inner-workings of the semantical tricks of Forrest's. This all goes to "I can keep my secret(s) where," and also "The answers I already know." Anyway.....

Fractal in nature, scalable, metaphor usage....where the eye/I/symbol/W/M....."Marry" in meaning, location, and story...."on a map".....scalable. IMO, the "word that is key" to understanding this is the word "I," because it is "key" to unlocking the riddle, where metaphor/homophone/trickery....is employed by the architect. IMO, understanding this takes you in the direction of knowing his secret(s) and answer(s)....."I can keep my secrets where." Simply, I = Eye, and the symbol therein. (IMO....one of his "secret"(s)). The word that is key is "I" because it is the "Eye" that provides the W/M....where the 9-Clues contained therein and Marry the 9-Clues that are there.....BOTG. Anyway......scale....more than one way to Marry the "clues" to a Map. Meaning, trickery, semantics, homophones, etc. Is Forrest a Magician....."In a word.....yes."

[Livinlifebig]

Give it a shot...The riddle of TOTTC/poem....scales....it is "scalable." Like I said earlier, Brown....means one thing at home, before your first BOTG trip, however, the value for "Brown" changes with 10 BOTG trips.....Forrest's metaphor usage of variable operating metaphors.....makes "Marry to a Map" -scalable also.

In the progression of the solve, to "Marry to a map means one thing"....but as you progress, the value of "Marry to a map" means another. Like a "fractal" zooming in and zooming out.....different scales. For example at home...you may zoom in on the "X-Marks the spot" at Bisti and in this way, you Marry the X....to the Map for location. You can Marry the "X" in New Mexico...to Bisti. However, the "fractal" nature of Forrest's riddle (the meaning of Marry the Poem to a Map) then pivots....to another metaphor and meaning at Bisti. Why? Well, that is where the "I" now kicks in to mean the symbol on the eye...or the "I" of the frog. Contained therein...is the symbol of the "Eye" (W/M) which is equivalent to the "I." (Tight focus with a word that is key).

Now....within in the Wilderness area....is where the 9-Clues are contained within that symbol: the W/M....the symbol of the "eye," the symbol of the "I." And that is an example of how the location, meaning, and scale...."Marry the Map," within the larger location of the "X-Marks the spot," and "scale" within that area with the I/eye/W/M/9-Clues. These variable operating metaphors in this instance connect to each other in a hidden way (tight focus with a word that is key). In this way too....the X and the I.....Marry the Map.....at "scale." (Fractal nature of the solve). The "key?" ...... understanding this, unlocks the door to meaning, and exposes the inner-workings of the semantical tricks of Forrest's. This all goes to "I can keep my secret(s) where," and also "The answers I already know." Anyway.....

Fractal in nature, scalable, metaphor usage....where the eye/I/symbol/W/M....."Marry" in meaning, location, and story...."on a map".....scalable. IMO, the "word that is key" to understanding this is the word "I," because it is "key" to unlocking the riddle, where metaphor/homophone/trickery....is employed by the architect. IMO, understanding this takes you in the direction of knowing his secret(s) and answer(s)....."I can keep my secrets where." Simply, I = Eye, and the symbol therein. (IMO....one of his "secret"(s)). The word that is key is "I" because it is the "Eye" that provides the W/M....where the 9-Clues contained therein and Marry the 9-Clues that are there.....BOTG. Anyway......scale....more than one way to Marry the "clues" to a Map. Meaning, trickery, semantics, homophones, etc. Is Forrest a Magician....."In a word.....yes."

Nice work TY. Forrest said to simplify and use imagination. But I dont believe this has been achieved.

So if you will, please show the "I" or as you say "eye", to us on a map and marry it.

Thanks!

[trueyeti]

Nice work TY. Forrest said to simplify and use imagination. But I dont believe this has been achieved.

So if you will, please show the "I" or as you say "eye", to us on a map and marry it.

Thanks!

Geez. Okay...but not this moment....gotta be somewhere. I add that the solve that I've put out has the I/eye/W/M in it. I recently found an error in it....not a fatal error however. I need to sharpen it up....just a bit, redraw the map...then I'll put the pick/picks....borrowing your comment as intro into a new thread. Not at the moment though.

I simply reminder the reader....that Bisti is a door that you have to enter in your mind's eye.....the frog's eye, and symbol is that portal. You simply must cross that threshold yourself. And what is wrong with seeing through the eye of the frog in your own mind's eye anyway? Wanna talk portals and imagination and the multiverse? Well....that's how imagination works. (Alice's rabbit hole). And my favorite Disneyland ride was "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride" anyway. There's the fun.....right there. Kiss a frog....lick a toad....and let the adventure begin! PS..... link to thread "Kiss a Frog, Lick a Toad" below:
https://www.hintofriches.com/forum/t...oad#post465948

Also....Hypnotoad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POh7qNVFIrg&t=33s

[Suzy]

Geez. Okay...but not this moment....gotta be somewhere. I add that the solve that I've put out has the I/eye/W/M in it. I recently found an error in it....not a fatal error however. I need to sharpen it up....just a bit, redraw the map...then I'll put the pick/picks....borrowing your comment as intro into a new thread. Not at the moment though.

I simply reminder the reader....that Bisti is a door that you have to enter in your mind's eye.....the frog's eye, and symbol is that portal. You simply must cross that threshold yourself. And what is wrong with seeing through the eye of the frog in your own mind's eye anyway? Wanna talk portals and imagination and the multiverse? Well....that's how imagination works. (Alice's rabbit hole). And my favorite Disneyland ride was "Mr. Toad's Wild Ride" anyway. There's the fun.....right there. Kiss a frog....lick a toad....and let the adventure begin! PS..... link to thread "Kiss a Frog, Lick a Toad" below:
https://www.hintofriches.com/forum/t...oad#post465948

Also....Hypnotoad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POh7qNVFIrg&t=33s

Couldn't we just settle for a simple and eloquent "happily ever after" story? You know the kind, where there's no more surprises and everyone lives their fantasies as they had always fantasized? Absent of heartache and fighting, the cast and characters ride off into the sunset to find peace, not war . . . ts.

[wwwamericana]

Couldn't we just settle for a simple and eloquent "happily ever after" story? You know the kind, where there's no more surprises and everyone lives their fantasies as they had always fantasized? Absent of heartache and fighting, the cast and characters ride off into the sunset to find peace, not war . . . ts.

I'll be hopping off to a a place called Never Never Land.....
Meet y'all there!

[RFISH]

Couldn't we just settle for a simple and eloquent "happily ever after" story? You know the kind, where there's no more surprises and everyone lives their fantasies as they had always fantasized? Absent of heartache and fighting, the cast and characters ride off into the sunset to find peace, not war . . . ts.

Ask, and you shall receive

the sequel to Catcher in the Rye, a la South Park

[Suzy]

I'll be hopping off to a a place called Never Never Land.....
Meet y'all there!

Why don't you sit back and relax for a while, www? Life's too short to be hopping here and hopping there, moving constantly, and never enjoying the scenery. Make a change starting today. Put on a party hat and share an eye-to-eye view with life's bare necessities. Maybe you can even head on over to the local YMCA, or visit a pool near your home, then enjoy Darwin's survival of the fittest by taking a quick dive or a flying leap off the highest diving board. No worries on if there is Water High enough. We Fennatics will be there for you. We can even come along as emotional support animals to pick up the pieces, if you like.

P.S. This was all meant as a source of vein pleasure, of course.

So yes, I offer my apologies for thinking solely of myself. No phun intended.

[Suzy]

Ask, and you shall receive

the sequel to Catcher in the Rye, a la South Park

The sequel would be me running to grab a tissue. Partially because I'm dying from laughter . . . and partial because I need a means of retrieving that booger.

Yep, who would've guessed my eye was directly in it's path.

[wwwamericana]

Why don't you sit back and relax for a while, www? Life's too short to be hopping here and hopping there, moving constantly, and never enjoying the scenery. Make a change starting today. Put on a party hat and share an eye-to-eye view with life's bare necessities. Maybe you can even head on over to the local YMCA, or visit a pool near your home, then enjoy Darwin's survival of the fittest by taking a quick dive or a flying leap off the highest diving board. No worries on if there is Water High enough. We Fennatics will be there for you. We can even come along as emotional support animals to pick up the pieces, if you like.

P.S. This was all meant as a source of vein pleasure, of course.

So yes, I offer my apologies for thinking solely of myself. No phun intended.

Iffin you don't move, you miss out on alot of adventures and life just passes ya bye......

[Suzy]

Iffin you don't move, you miss out on alot of adventures and life just passes ya bye......

I like your Philosophy, www. "Life" is most definitely an "adventure"! Absent of moving, a pond shows no signs of life as revealed through the tell-tail signs inherent of waves and ripples. Collecting only stagnant, Fenny moss, even Forestry trees droop from the lack of audible flowing water - which creates an abounding artistry of green and a luscious living tapestry. However, with life there also exists peace. After the rains are gone, it's additionally nice to sit along the bank and find a place you can hang your hat and ultimately call "home".

For you, it's the Lily Pad.

She loves you, you know.

I'm talking about your mother.