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  • #16
    Originally posted by ultrasharp sunshine View Post
    Taxation without representation, business as usual.
    Heck, I’m taxed, have Congressional reps and Senators, and they still don’t represent me!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ultrasharp sunshine View Post
      What’s the remedy?
      Educate the masses.
      remember "it's a republic if you can keep it" means if representatives dont sink into tyranny and despotism.
      We are already there. Time for some direct democracy.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by JHSharp View Post
        Heck, I’m taxed, have Congressional reps and Senators, and they still don’t represent me!
        They represent corporate socialism. Even this 2 trillion stimulus is at least 1.7 trillion corporate welfare. We get 1.2 thousand..

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        • #19
          Originally posted by JHSharp View Post

          What you want to do is AVOID, not evade! If you make their “tax protester” list, you’ll never see the light at the end of the tunnel again!

          Quest I think it might have been you who brought up the original S-corp theory? That’s one way to completely avoid the tax. Of course, a gift from FF himself could do something similar, depending...

          if you aren’t talking treasure tax, then my apologies! I’m trying to decide if treasure hunting is a “hobby”’or a “trade or business.”
          My tax preparer says the same "avoid dont evade".
          Dont double dare me ! Lol
          Just have to start a lobbyist group about this issue.
          Gotta do something good with treasure proceeds. Whoever wins comes great responsibility. It's not all margaritas and vacations.
          Last edited by Quest; 03-26-2020, 04:56 AM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Quest View Post

            This is the bogus "income from whatever source derived".
            Actually United States Charter forbids "taxing us without our consent"
            Only businesses could be taxed by government without public vote
            That's why the 19th amendment is a " pretend legislation" warned about in United States Charter
            I had a tax professor that used to repeat gleefully "income is income from whatever source derived" comes from Cmmr. v. Glenshaw Glass . I thought he was an asshole. He gave me my lowest grade in law school. I went to see him about my final and he mentioned I didn't refer to something in the essay...I quickly pointed out in my answer that which he missed and he refused to adjust my grade saying it was already reported...an asshole. I never objected to a grade in my life except for this one. Too fricken liberal for my blood. All these lunatics never had to make payroll. I am going to have to lay off my secretary in two weeks. Sucks. Nothing can screw up a small business as quick as taxes.

            If I find the treasure I will make a conditional endowement...he retires and I fund a tax chair professor of my choosing. What a dick.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Quest View Post

              This is the bogus "income from whatever source derived".
              Actually United States Charter forbids "taxing us without our consent"
              Only businesses could be taxed by government without public vote
              That's why the 19th amendment is a " pretend legislation" warned about in United States Charter
              I had a tax professor that used to repeat gleefully "income is income from whatever source derived" it comes from Cmmr. v. Glenshaw Glass. I thought he was an asshole. I can still hear him, his voice was a tenor but I am convinced I hear alto too. He gave me my lowest grade in law school. I went to see him about my final and he mentioned I didn't refer to something in the essay...I quickly pointed out in my answer that which he missed and he refused to adjust my grade saying it was already reported...an asshole. I never objected to a grade in my life except for this one. All these lunatics never had to make payroll. I am going to have to lay off my secretary in two weeks. Sucks. Nothing can screw up a small business as quick as taxes.

              Funny thing tax law is largely code-driven same as negotiable instruments in which I got the highest grade in my class. They gave an award for it at graduation but because I took my class in the summer (to lighten the credit load during the normal semesters) for some reason I didn't qualify for the award. The kid who took it during the normal semester got it. That never bothered me more than the tax law class. Over 20 years later, law school is a great education in thinking. I started late and turned 30 in my second year. It's full of immature 20 somethings and professors who don't practice law and play psych ops. I used to laugh at them...I had been in business for a few years. I was in procurement before and had trained in negotiation and personality differences, briggs-myers and whatnot. It's good to know to whom you are talking.

              I can only imagine how gen z is approaching it...I have to say this covid thing is a lesson in personal sacrifice for the greater good. It's in their blood to be lazy and only think of themselves. I hear now that colleges have people to help incoming freshmen and students with the skills of personal life. My 14-year-old twins do their own laundry.

              If I find the treasure I will make a conditional endowement...he retires and I fund a tax chair professor of my choosing. What a Richard.

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              • #22
                Simplified tax relief has worked for many decades. If you have no money they can not tax your money.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Oldwhipped View Post
                  June 1st? Nah. That reminds me of when I was a teenager and heard Prince's 1999 song and thought boy that'll never come. That's so far away, nope, it's never gonna happen. June 1st won't be important by then. Also I was chasing something else and I think that chase is over too. Aww. Back to reality. My chase was for something more valuable than gold. SO... how's the cabin fever for you guys? Anyone want to swap solves to see if we can improve each other's thinking? PM me.
                  Let's think about 164 BOTG.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by atticusfinch315 View Post

                    I had a tax professor that used to repeat gleefully "income is income from whatever source derived" it comes from Cmmr. v. Glenshaw Glass. I thought he was an asshole. I can still hear him, his voice was a tenor but I am convinced I hear alto too. He gave me my lowest grade in law school. I went to see him about my final and he mentioned I didn't refer to something in the essay...I quickly pointed out in my answer that which he missed and he refused to adjust my grade saying it was already reported...an asshole. I never objected to a grade in my life except for this one. All these lunatics never had to make payroll. I am going to have to lay off my secretary in two weeks. Sucks. Nothing can screw up a small business as quick as taxes.

                    Funny thing tax law is largely code-driven same as negotiable instruments in which I got the highest grade in my class. They gave an award for it at graduation but because I took my class in the summer (to lighten the credit load during the normal semesters) for some reason I didn't qualify for the award. The kid who took it during the normal semester got it. That never bothered me more than the tax law class. Over 20 years later, law school is a great education in thinking. I started late and turned 30 in my second year. It's full of immature 20 somethings and professors who don't practice law and play psych ops. I used to laugh at them...I had been in business for a few years. I was in procurement before and had trained in negotiation and personality differences, briggs-myers and whatnot. It's good to know to whom you are talking.

                    I can only imagine how gen z is approaching it...I have to say this covid thing is a lesson in personal sacrifice for the greater good. It's in their blood to be lazy and only think of themselves. I hear now that colleges have people to help incoming freshmen and students with the skills of personal life. My 14-year-old twins do their own laundry.

                    If I find the treasure I will make a conditional endowement...he retires and I fund a tax chair professor of my choosing. What a Richard.
                    Then 16th amendment is illegal. As Marbury versed Madison shows an illegal law is nullified and void. Even the Constitution cannot have amendments beyond its charter. THE Declaration Of Independence is chock full of actions that the United States government may not do. So to add these actions to the supreme law of the land would be an act of tyranny and despotism as the DOI points out the actions are and a reason to eliminate a government from governing a people.

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                    • #25
                      So all I have to do is say no tax for as per Marbury VS. Madison and all the guys in black suits and ties pack up and go away?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ultrasharp sunshine View Post
                        So all I have to do is say no tax for as per Marbury VS. Madison and all the guys in black suits and ties pack up and go away?
                        Nope, gotta embarrass the entire Congress and sitting President into fixing the illegal system.
                        Cause either they are stupid or criminal.
                        "Its a republic if you can keep it"
                        It's a democracy when you demand it !
                        Last edited by Quest; 03-26-2020, 05:47 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Hillbealy View Post

                          Let's think about 164 BOTG.
                          That has a degree of subtlety. Good one.

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                          • #28
                            164 sounds like an obelisk of sorts. Is the answer we all seek there? What was the question again?

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                            • #29
                              And for those of you who have already written and are editing your manifesto, what newspaper will you pick? No taxation at all, is that what I'm hearing from you all? You don't think you benefit from taxation? Ha ha. Think again. Fair taxation is what you should argue for.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Oldwhipped View Post
                                164 sounds like an obelisk of sorts. Is the answer we all seek there? What was the question again?
                                Sorry! I'll pass

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