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  • #16
    Originally posted by LurkerMike View Post
    True that you have your guesses and I have mine.
    But my guesses are based on personal experience, perhaps yours are too?
    Guesses based on personal experience are often the worst guesses due to bias. Guesses based on observation are still just guesses, but less bias.

    Originally posted by LurkerMike View Post
    Please clarify exactly what you mean. Are you saying:
    1. Some PhD'ed Doctors and Surgeons are fairly intelligent and some aren’t?
    2. Some PhD Medical Doctors are a whole lot more intelligent than 'ole Forrest Fenn and some aren’t?
    3. Both/All of the above?
    All of the above

    Originally posted by LurkerMike View Post
    You aren’t a pilot then? Or a military veteran? Or over the age of 40?
    True, True, False

    Originally posted by LurkerMike View Post
    Stop playing games my friend, this is not a debate about Forrest Fenn being uneducated, this is about YOU saying Forrest Fenn is not INTELLIGENT. There is a big difference in the definition of those two terms and it does require a minimum level of intelligence to know the difference.
    The fact you would attempt such a cheap bait and switch use of these terms on me to spin this discussion into strawman arguments is exactly the same “used morally grey business practices” that I am now accusing you of having and projecting onto Forrest Fenn.
    There are a few reasons people are uneducated. Some lack the opportunity, some lack the funds, some lack the desire, and some lack the intelligence.

    Looking at Forrest's life, he definitely had the opportunity, the funds, and the desire. He has repeatedly said in his books that he failed at school...so that leaves one reason why he is formally uneducated.

    You are confusing me saying Forrest isn't intelligent with saying Forrest is dumb. There is a huge difference in those as well.

    Forrest displays characteristics of the Dunning Kruger Effect, he over estimates his intelligence. Maybe I need to be more technical with you, but in talking about the Dunning Kruger Effect and intelligence, when I say he suffers from that I mean his intelligence level is lower than he thinks it is.

    We all know he isn't a walking vegetable. Me saying he is "not intelligent" is shorthand for my larger meaning when discussing the topic of the Dunning Kruger Effect. So he can fly a plane, he can start a business, he can con people into overpaying for art. Do any of those suggest high intelligence? Are you saying there are no low-intelligence pilots? No low-intelligence business owners?

    You need to keep in mind that when talking about the Dunning Kruger Effect, everything is in comparison of actuality and self perception.

    Originally posted by LurkerMike View Post
    "Worship" is a word that comes with a lot of baggage. Can we agree to substitute the word “Idolize” and I will admit that I idolize Forrest Fenn. You are more than welcome to “questions” me about idolizing Fenn all you would like because he is one of my heroes. The epitome of what the American Dream is all about if the socialists/communists don’t transform it into another nightmare like Venezuela, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, China, or any other third world sh!t hole.
    I'll leave the politics to the side...but sure, you idolize Forrest Fenn. And in doing so, you are biased.


    Originally posted by LurkerMike View Post
    I think you and several of the nutjobs at CC are projecting your own deviant desires onto Fenn with those kinds of wild accusations.
    Let me help you sick puppies by donning my Captain Obvious cape for a moment…
    Correct me if I am wrong, but the only regret I know of that Forrest has talked about was his regret that he was never the good brother to his late sister June that he wishes he had been. If he has other regrets, they are few, and probably much less significant than this one regret in emotional and psychological terms.

    I’ll wager that every FennBunny you can name reminds Forrest in some way of his sister rather than a stripper. And no, he isn’t trying to bed and bang any of them, rather he seeks to have that kind of platonic fraternal friendship with them that he never had with his own sister.
    As far as Forrest giving any of them extra clues or hints, if he won’t give his own blood kin any, don’t think for a minute that he would ever give a “surrogate sister” anything useful.
    But you dirty-minded folks just keep on thinking your dirty thoughts because that says more about each of you that it does about Forrest Fenn.
    I don't know what "nutjobs at CC" means.

    Again, you are just blindly guessing and your bias is forming you "idolized" vision of Forrest as a man who is pure and does no wrong. But if you opened up your eyes to the data that is available, your idol may look more tarnished.

    What do you think the percentage of females there are in the chase?

    What is the percentage of females that Forrest chooses as people he corresponds with?

    Data doesn't lie, you can make up fantasy explanations for it...but it doesn't lie.

    I never said or insinuated that he gives out these female "FennBunnies" (as you so called put it...the fact that they even have that name means something) any type of clues or hints. He is using them just as he has used others...for his own gain or purpose.

    I think it's sad, for his wife and his daughters.


    Originally posted by LurkerMike View Post
    My agenda with the Chase is to have fun participating in the most epic adventure of my life and to try to share some of that joy with others and try to help other searchers as much as I can, without giving any of my own solves away of course.

    So what exactly is your agenda Outkast Searcher?
    I don't have an agenda...I guess you could say I have reasons that I'm involved in this.

    Entertainment
    Education
    Observation
    Discussion

    That's it for me, nothing more or less.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Outkast Searcher View Post
      Guesses based on personal experience are often the worst guesses due to bias. Guesses based on observation are still just guesses, but less bias.
      And often guesses based on personal experience are much better guesses because of things like physics, human nature, and other repeating repeatable phenomena.

      Originally posted by Outkast Searcher View Post
      There are a few reasons people are uneducated. Some lack the opportunity, some lack the funds, some lack the desire, and some lack the intelligence.
      Looking at Forrest's life, he definitely had the opportunity, the funds, and the desire. He has repeatedly said in his books that he failed at school...so that leaves one reason why he is formally uneducated.
      You left off one significant reason:

      1) Some just don't like classrooms, the structured pace that is often too slow or too boring, and homework. I never went back to college largely because of the homework requirements.

      Originally posted by Outkast Searcher View Post
      I'll leave the politics to the side...but sure, you idolize Forrest Fenn. And in doing so, you are biased.
      Again, you are just blindly guessing and your bias is forming you "idolized" vision of Forrest as a man who is pure and does no wrong. But if you opened up your eyes to the data that is available, your idol may look more tarnished.
      All humans are tarnished, some more than others. But as humans go, Forrest Fenn is a good dude. Being called a "good dude" is one of the highest compliments a person can be given where I'm from. No, it does not mean they are perfect, but it does mean they have earned the benefit of the doubt from years of both demonstrating high moral and trustworthy ethical behavior and never having been convicted of any crimes to the contrary. Idolize might be too strong of a term. I consider Forrest Fenn a great role model that I admire, but I don't worship him. He picks his nose when no one is looking just like you do.

      Originally posted by Outkast Searcher View Post
      What do you think the percentage of females there are in the chase?
      35% is my guess

      Originally posted by Outkast Searcher View Post
      What is the percentage of females that Forrest chooses as people he corresponds with?
      In general, 65% is my guess.

      As far as regular back and forth correspondence like pen pals, 90%, but you need to read this article to gain some perspective:

      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smith...ion-180953343/

      And if you don't think his mom, and wife Peggy and his two daughters didn't write to him practically every day he was deployed to the Nam, and he back to them every day that he could, you should stop wasting your time on his Chase.

      You are trying to twist something innocent into something not so innocent, which again, says more about you that about Forrest.

      Originally posted by Outkast Searcher View Post
      Data doesn't lie, you can make up fantasy explanations for it...but it doesn't lie.
      Where is YOUR data OS? Just like me, you have no data to prove anything. Just theories and allegations.

      I'm an innocent until proven guilty kind of person, perhaps because I project my own honesty on to others. You don't seem to share these kinds of problems.

      Originally posted by Outkast Searcher View Post
      I never said or insinuated that he gives out these female "FennBunnies" (as you so called put it...the fact that they even have that name means something) any type of clues or hints. He is using them just as he has used others...for his own gain or purpose.
      Since when was just ordinary platonic friendship a crime? The term "FennBunny" was coined several years before I heard about the Chase. Like all good terms, it is short, simple, and requires no explanation, although the degree of what the term infers is open for interpretation depending on one's own character.

      Originally posted by Outkast Searcher View Post
      I think it's sad, for his wife and his daughters.
      Think all you want, but show me a single data point where any of them have voiced their complaints of how Forrest has or does conduct himself. After 10 years of being in the public eye, no one "on the inside" (family, friends, staff, neighbors, etc) has ever accused Forrest of infidelity.

      Originally posted by Outkast Searcher View Post
      You are confusing me saying Forrest isn't intelligent with saying Forrest is dumb. There is a huge difference in those as well.
      Forrest displays characteristics of the Dunning Kruger Effect, he over estimates his intelligence. Maybe I need to be more technical with you, but in talking about the Dunning Kruger Effect and intelligence, when I say he suffers from that I mean his intelligence level is lower than he thinks it is.
      We all know he isn't a walking vegetable. Me saying he is "not intelligent" is shorthand for my larger meaning when discussing the topic of the Dunning Kruger Effect. So he can fly a plane, he can start a business, he can con people into overpaying for art. Do any of those suggest high intelligence? Are you saying there are no low-intelligence pilots? No low-intelligence business owners?
      You need to keep in mind that when talking about the Dunning Kruger Effect, everything is in comparison of actuality and self perception.
      My perception is that you, Outkast Searcher, believe yourself to be more intelligent than Forrest Fenn and that is why I see the Dunning-Kruger effect as your own self-fulfilling prophecy, my friend.


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