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    Is any specialized knowledge required to find the treasure? For instance, something learned during your time in the military, or from a lifetime of fly fishing? Or do you really expect any ordinary average person without your background to be able to correctly interpret the clues in the poem? ~mdavis19

    No specialized knowledge is required mdavis19, and I have no expectations. My Thrill of the Chase book is enough to lead an average person to the treasure.f

    I'm sure this has been discussed many times over, but I know opinions can evolve and change over time. What do you consider to be specialized knowledge?

    Does specialized include something that can be found easily on the internet by the average person using clues and concepts from the poem and book, but that wouldn't be considered "common" knowledge?

    Does no specialized knowledge required mean that only a very basic ability in math, history, arts, and reading/language, such as one might get in grades K-12 is required to solve the poem, and that information beyond that (such that would require internet or book reading) isn't needed, or is that oversimplifying?

    Does it mean that specialized knowledge isn't "required" or "necessary" to solve the poem, but it can helpful?

    What are you thoughts?





  • #2
    It is my opinion that everybody has the ability to learn. YOU begin learning from the moment you are born. If you are capable of learning something, then it’s not specialized knowledge. CAN knowing something ahead of time help? Sure. But I think the message was that if a person can learn, then they can DO IT.

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    • #3
      Hi ksfromKS: "specialized knowledge" seems to be akin to "art": hard to define. What some consider to be "art" I would call garbage or graffiti. Many searchers dig into dictionaries or thesauruses (thesauri?), thinking that some of the answers may be found there. Others research mountain men, Old West and Native American history, fishing regulations, or foreign languages. Forrest has helpfully defined what he believes are "excellent" research materials: TTOTC, Google Earth and/or a good map. But we don't know whether these "excellent" resources are also "sufficient."

      We do have a little bit of additional insight into Forrest's thinking on the subject from the Jon Lackman interview:

      Jon: “I’ve also read that you wrote the treasure hunt for an unemployed redneck with 12 kids. Does this mean that all of those people who are delving into Native American history, Greek mythology etc. are looking too deeply? Can hunters really get to the treasure location with just a good map, the poem, and a decent knowledge of words?”

      FF: “I wrote the book for everyone who feels a sense of wanderlust. In your last question if you change the last word to geography, my answer would be yes.”

      Sure seems like Forrest is saying geography knowledge would be helpful -- more so than being a wordsmith.

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      • #4
        Thank you both for your thoughts.

        Seems like not a lot of information to work with from him on that, other than the geography comment.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mountain digger
          ks,
          I don't know what specialized knowledge is. But if Leeroy were still in the chase, I bet he'd say "it's somethin' I ain't got".

          Where did Leeroy go anyway? Is he still hangin' with kPro?
          I love this question. I had a solve that followed the trail of the Nez Perce Indians - several told me that was too much specialized knowledge. I ponder this question often.

          I had another rabbit hole that was about the periodic table - is that too specialized?

          LeeRoy? He is still around but I haven’t talked to him in a while, DeeCoy was his twin brother who I dated for a while, but we split up.... haha.
          “Positivity triumphs over negativity” - famous quote by the famous Cowlazars 2018

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          • #6
            The same way Forrest does.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mountain digger
              k...
              I got to thinkin' that LeeRoy may not have even been around for ksfromKS to know who he was? LeeRoy said he'd be makin' some more videos UNLESS he found the treasure in his epilogue. So, for ksfromKS, here's a link for you to get to know LeeRoy, if you don't. And if you listen good near the end, see if you don't agree that we should all be askin' if LeeRoy found Indulgence?

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEwiC...L&index=9&t=0s
              I don’t want to take this thread off track, but IMO LeeRoy was the simple type that didn’t want drama. Some of the haters inquired with me when he hit the scene, concerned he was getting too much of Forrest’s ear (sound familiar?) and wanted personal info on him. He disappeared from then on. I never gave it, as I had my own issues with similar bologna. I would say he just didn’t want to be in the middle of the stupidity. IMO only.
              “Positivity triumphs over negativity” - famous quote by the famous Cowlazars 2018

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              • #8

                Originally posted by Zapster View Post
                Hi ksfromKS: "specialized knowledge" seems to be akin to "art": hard to define. What some consider to be "art" I would call garbage or graffiti. Many searchers dig into dictionaries or thesauruses (thesauri?), thinking that some of the answers may be found there. Others research mountain men, Old West and Native American history, fishing regulations, or foreign languages. Forrest has helpfully defined what he believes are "excellent" research materials: TTOTC, Google Earth and/or a good map. But we don't know whether these "excellent" resources are also "sufficient."

                We do have a little bit of additional insight into Forrest's thinking on the subject from the Jon Lackman interview:

                Jon: “I’ve also read that you wrote the treasure hunt for an unemployed redneck with 12 kids. Does this mean that all of those people who are delving into Native American history, Greek mythology etc. are looking too deeply? Can hunters really get to the treasure location with just a good map, the poem, and a decent knowledge of words?”

                FF: “I wrote the book for everyone who feels a sense of wanderlust. In your last question if you change the last word to geography, my answer would be yes.”

                Sure seems like Forrest is saying geography knowledge would be helpful -- more so than being a wordsmith.

                I disagree with Forrests answer. There are several words in the poem, such as “nigh”, which I believe are important and which some “average” searchers may not be familiar with. I dont want to list the other even less familiar words.

                Forrest also used “last word” to talk about “words” ... not sure if that was intentional for some tricky reason or it just fell out that way.

                If you have a good map and Google Earth, I think you have all the geograpy you need.

                KS, you have a lot of good observations and questions.
                Last edited by astree; 08-11-2019, 05:56 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by astree View Post



                  I disagree with Forrests answer. There are several words in the poem, such as “nigh”, which I believe are important and which some “average” searchers may not be familiar with. I dont want to list the other even less familiar words.

                  Forrest also used “last word” to talk about “words” ... not sure if that was intentional for some tricky reason or it just fell out that way.

                  If you have a good map and Google Earth, I think you have all the geograpy you need.

                  KS, you have a lot of good observations and questions.
                  Google Earth is very helpful, but (and this is important!) Mapquest could provide something very important that Google Earth can't.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Old Pilot View Post

                    Google Earth is very helpful, but (and this is important!) Mapquest could provide something very important that Google Earth can't.
                    Are you saying the blaze is on MapQuest!!!

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                    • #11
                      If anyone can use the internet to answer a question or research an idea......I don't feel that is specialized knowledge.

                      Specialized knowledge requires years of study and insight not available with a quick search on the internet with a five-minute review of the topic. That's in the public's domain.

                      ie: Forrest's depth of knowledge of Indian pottery would be specialized knowledge

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                      • #12
                        Perhaps knowing something that isn't worth knowing is "specialized" knowledge.
                        I'm sure I don't know what I am talking about.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wwwamericana View Post
                          Perhaps knowing something that isn't worth knowing is "specialized" knowledge.
                          I'm sure I don't know what I am talking about.
                          If that's the case, then I'm not only a specialist but an expert!

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                          • #14
                            Many thanks to all who shared thoughts! I think I am just going to have to sit on one single answer in an otherwise reasonable solve to see if I can find another way to view it in my head. The whole solve is pretty good, except that one answer I'm not so sure about. Revisions and adjustment. I need a ah-ha moment.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Old Pilot View Post

                              Google Earth is very helpful, but (and this is important!) Mapquest could provide something very important that Google Earth can't.
                              So now I'm off on a Mapquest

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