Happy Pride Month

[trueyeti]

The only thing I hate here is what's being done in the name of the LGBT community, to kids. Let that sink in. I've provided plenty of evidence in my various posts and a sound reasoning for my posts.
Look, I just mentioned (in my previous post) the strategy, and the soft heartedness for the underdog.
I'll explain that a bit more.
Once they can create sympathy for that community, then as soon as people (like you) hear something negative they will shut it out and accuse the speaker of hatred.
That allows those running this agenda to get away with the evils they are performing.
That's the strategy.
I hope you'll understand this. Our kids need you to understand this.

Hey Walker,

A horse is a horse, of course of course
And a rainbow is a rainbow, of course of course

But if you hate horses and see evil in rainbows,
Then you hate Forrest Fenn

Cheers

[whiskynovember]

The social conservatives used to be on the left, you know. They were buddy-buddy with the left all through the 19th century ad into the 20th. Because they're both meddlers. They were together for prohibition, and all the welfare programs and such that were to bring us our communist utopia or the kingdom of christ on earth.

If ones purpose is to control others, the first thing is to conjoin the state, of course, and to then postulate a messianic figure. As long as it decentralizes selfhood in aggregate it is extremely effective meddling. Freedom through submission is the same in religion as it is in socialism.

There was not a whit of difference between the progressive theocratic meddlers and the socialist meddlers. Think of the pinched little schoolmarms who want to regulate your transfats or your salt or whether you can use plastic bags or who's dancing or who opened their business on sunday or who's morally impure by their standards. They are both statists. Theocrats and socialists both. Both hate individual rights. Both use the government to force their neighbor to comply.

Just because there's no salt my house it doesn't mean I don't support ones right to live a life of hypertension. Why can't the religionists learn the lesson in that? By the same token, I support ones right to live in a van down by the river, but it doesn't mean I expect people eventually to work if I pay them not to work. Why can't the socialists learn the lesson in that?

[whiskynovember]

If you're a constitutionalist, a patriot, and an individualist, you'd celebrate the fact that oppressed people have been liberated from totalitarian social controls. But it sounds like you're so obsessed with 'the left' that you forget that the right is supposed to be about liberty, individual self-realization, and the right of every man not to conform to the rules of the collective. Don't make their argument for them by forgetting to be your best self. Show love and peace to your fellow man first, before going straight *haha* to the things you hate.

Recognizing the Constitution as a classic liberal document is just too problematic for the reactionary disregard of history.

[Rose Livingstone]

And yet it's happening to the kids. And you're telling me and others that we have to be silent.

"Medical treatment for dysphoria can include puberty blockers, which a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study found reduces risks for mental health problems and suicide, which 35% of transgender youth attempt." Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ls/4605054002/

"Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. " Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

Considering that gender identity is not noted on a death certificate, this number is likely to be MUCH higher.

"Proponents say the measures protect minors from medical changes they may regret as adults, while opponents say the bills prevent doctors from following health care guidelines approved by organizations such as the American Medical Association. "

Official Guidelines from the Endoncrine Society:
https://www.endocrine.org/clinical-p...incongruence#2

Again, this issue is between a child, their parents, and their doctors. I believe that parents and doctors both want what's best for minors and will make the appropriate risk assessment on a case by case basis for each individual patient. You don't get to decide what's best for someone else's child.
1/5 of American children are malnourished. Some states have the legal age of consent as low as 14. Do you want that changed? Some states are trying to force a girl as young as any age, 9,10,11,12,13,14 whatever to carry a pregnancy to term that her body literally can't safely handle, all while denying her access to healthcare and assistance during and after. Do you want to see that changed? How about we actually successfully prosecute rapists since that number is abysmally low? How about we make mental health services available and free to those that need them? How about we make it illegal for a person to be fired due to seeking mental healthcare?
It's easy to get righteous and demand everyone on the planet be straight to make *you* comfortable, but you're not informed on the psychology behind what is driving so many to literally suicide.
People have been gay and "changing genders" since there were people on the planet. It hasn't increased per capita- you're just hearing about it more because it's no longer legal to lynch them or burn them at the stake or throw them in jail, and recent medicine has made huge advances in helping these people.
Want to "save the children"? Stop telling them they have to kill themselves because their body choices make you uneasy, and go adopt or foster a few. There are millions of American children right now who need good homes.

[ravenhome777]

1. What does this have to do with the Forrest Fenn treasure hunt?
2. I thought we weren't allowed to discuss politics on this forum. My thread got locked the last time I even stuck my pinky toe into these waters. How about we lock this thread? Not appropriate.
3. I have no problem with people's sexual preferences, but I do have a problem with people making a bigger deal out of it than it is. As Forrest said, "Leave people alone."

[Cyrus]

1. What does this have to do with the Forrest Fenn treasure hunt?
2. I thought we weren't allowed to discuss politics on this forum. My thread got locked the last time I even stuck my pinky toe into these waters. How about we lock this thread? Not appropriate.
3. I have no problem with people's sexual preferences, but I do have a problem with people making a bigger deal out of it than it is. As Forrest said, "Leave people alone."

Chill Raven. Just tarry scant with the marvelous gays. It'll be over soon. Bite a pillow.

[whiskynovember]

I wish I could upvote your post 100 times. Instead I'll play the specious devil's advocate:

"Medical treatment for dysphoria can include puberty blockers, which a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study found reduces risks for mental health problems and suicide, which 35% of transgender youth attempt." Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ls/4605054002/

"Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. " Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

Anything that comes from government or people with advanced degrees is unAmerican. Do your own research and engage your critical thinking.

Considering that gender identity is not noted on a death certificate, this number is likely to be MUCH higher.

That's god's plan. Show some respect, Communist!.

"Proponents say the measures protect minors from medical changes they may regret as adults, while opponents say the bills prevent doctors from following health care guidelines approved by organizations such as the American Medical Association. "

Between the time of jesus and the 1950s this was not a problem. This is just fake news by the MSM.

Official Guidelines from the Endoncrine Society:
https://www.endocrine.org/clinical-p...incongruence#2

Paid for by Gerorge Soros. More fake news by the Jewish monopoly and their Space Lasers.

Again, this issue is between a child, their parents, and their doctors. I believe that parents and doctors both want what's best for minors and will make the appropriate risk assessment on a case by case basis for each individual patient. You don't get to decide what's best for someone else's child.

This is just a plot to socialize medicine and turn us into big government Europe where everyone waits 15 years to get an aspirin. Besides, our children are more in danger of being melted down for their adrenachrome in a DC pizza dungeon. Q proved this.

1/5 of American children are malnourished.

Let them eat cake.

Some states have the legal age of consent as low as 14. Do you want that changed? Some states are trying to force a girl as young as any age, 9,10,11,12,13,14 whatever to carry a pregnancy to term that her body literally can't safely handle, all while denying her access to healthcare and assistance during and after. Do you want to see that changed?

HER UTERUS BELONGS TO GOD!! HOW DARE YOU HATE CHRISTIANS!!

How about we actually successfully prosecute rapists since that number is abysmally low?

If it's legitimate rape the body has ways of shutting that down! Besides, look what she was wearing! And when you're a star, she lets you do it. You can do anything.

How about we make mental health services available and free to those that need them? How about we make it illegal for a person to be fired due to seeking mental healthcare?

The next thing you'll want is to tax churches! Nanny State! Nanny State! Nanny State!

It's easy to get righteous and demand everyone on the planet be straight to make *you* comfortable, but you're not informed on the psychology behind what is driving so many to literally suicide. People have been gay and "changing genders" since there were people on the planet. It hasn't increased per capita- you're just hearing about it more because it's no longer legal to lynch them or burn them at the stake or throw them in jail, and recent medicine has made huge advances in helping these people.

Back when they were lynched or burned the trains ran on time and my taxes were LOWER!! Besides, this is all just fake news.

Want to "save the children"? Stop telling them they have to kill themselves because their body choices make you uneasy, and go adopt or foster a few. There are millions of American children right now who need good homes.

This is America, they're on their own. Ship them to a Blue state like we do the illegals!

[Walker]

"Medical treatment for dysphoria can include puberty blockers, which a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study found reduces risks for mental health problems and suicide, which 35% of transgender youth attempt." Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ls/4605054002/

"Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. " Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

Considering that gender identity is not noted on a death certificate, this number is likely to be MUCH higher.

"Proponents say the measures protect minors from medical changes they may regret as adults, while opponents say the bills prevent doctors from following health care guidelines approved by organizations such as the American Medical Association. "

Official Guidelines from the Endoncrine Society:
https://www.endocrine.org/clinical-p...incongruence#2

Again, this issue is between a child, their parents, and their doctors. I believe that parents and doctors both want what's best for minors and will make the appropriate risk assessment on a case by case basis for each individual patient. You don't get to decide what's best for someone else's child.
1/5 of American children are malnourished. Some states have the legal age of consent as low as 14. Do you want that changed? Some states are trying to force a girl as young as any age, 9,10,11,12,13,14 whatever to carry a pregnancy to term that her body literally can't safely handle, all while denying her access to healthcare and assistance during and after. Do you want to see that changed? How about we actually successfully prosecute rapists since that number is abysmally low? How about we make mental health services available and free to those that need them? How about we make it illegal for a person to be fired due to seeking mental healthcare?
It's easy to get righteous and demand everyone on the planet be straight to make *you* comfortable, but you're not informed on the psychology behind what is driving so many to literally suicide.
People have been gay and "changing genders" since there were people on the planet. It hasn't increased per capita- you're just hearing about it more because it's no longer legal to lynch them or burn them at the stake or throw them in jail, and recent medicine has made huge advances in helping these people.
Want to "save the children"? Stop telling them they have to kill themselves because their body choices make you uneasy, and go adopt or foster a few. There are millions of American children right now who need good homes.

"Again, this issue is between a child, their parents, and their doctors."

Don't you mean to add teachers in with that list? Because that's what I've been talking about.
Teachers who are actively, per their official programs, seeking to find children who are LGBT, as if those kids even have any idea about what they are at their young ages. And especially when they are also bombarded with confusing information in media.
And it's gone beyond "seeking" and into creating! They are actually trying to convince kids that they are LGBT, and at the same time telling them NOT TO TELL THEIR PARENTS what they are doing at school. This is an actual program, not just a few teachers going rogue.

"It's easy to get righteous and demand everyone on the planet be straight to make *you* comfortable, but you're not informed on the psychology behind what is driving so many to literally suicide."

Actually, I HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE.

My daughter had ADHD, and a bad case of it. My wife and I decided to seek "professional" help. We took her to a government run group.
My wife took her to the first few meetings, and then ask me to take her to the next one to "see what you think."
They spent at least 50% of their time talking about suicide.
after about an hour, I told them that they were actually going to convince my daughter that she should be thinking about suicide.
Well, the shit hit that fan and they came down on me, and I gave them few more things to think about. I took my daughter and left, and as soon as we got out to the car she thanked me and said they were really confusing her.

We took her to another place, run by a Christian Church of another persuasion than mine, and those people had their head on straight and did some good for my daughter.
So my experience with these so call "professionals" is 50/50, with the government program failing miserably.
Today she's been independent and happy for years.

Don't put blind trust in "professionals" or "experts". The facts are real, not made up like you've been programmed to think and react, as you just did with me.

[willynilly]

The way I see it, if a child can’t drink or smoke they probably should not be making other lifelong life altering decisions like changing their gender, that’s kind of a big deal and they may regret it so anyone who assists a small child to do this should face consequences.

[ICV.]

Just want to say, I'm really impressed by this community in that you all are having a thought provoking discussion about a potentially divisive issue without immediately going all childish and putting everyone else in groups of "stupid" or "evil". Can't read the comments anywhere else on the internet without every one calling each other "repubtards" or "demonrats".

Has anyone ever actually considered another point of view, or changed their mind by this tactic? "Huh.... I guess that guy on the internet who called me stupid and evil was right. I guess his opinion must be the correct one." I doubt it.

I don't pretend to understand homosexuality, but I'll try to be kind to those who are.

Again... it's great to see a genuine discussion without everyone getting nasty. I'm "proud" of you all.

[Old Pilot]

So here's what I'd like to know. Who got to decide who got what month? When did this happen? The LGBTQ+ community got June. That's like the best month IMO. The black folks got February? That's the shortest and crappiest month - no fair.

Why a whole month for any group? Our veterans only get a day? Working people only get a day? Mothers and Fathers only get a day each?

Are there any months open yet?

These are all to be considered "artificial, arbitrary decisions". I don't take any of them too seriously. I have general respect for (generic) mothers and fathers every day, based on their huge responsibilities. Yes, there are exceptions. Some parents don't demonstrate good parenting. It's NEVER easy, and we should all know this. Regarding fairness, it's a sweet ideal . . . but in reality, more like a myth.

[Old Pilot]

I see a mill stone in this thread

Please explain. Thanks in advance.

[Walker]

The way I see it, if a child can’t drink or smoke they probably should not be making other lifelong life altering decisions like changing their gender, that’s kind of a big deal and they may regret it so anyone who assists a small child to do this should face consequences.

I agree. But I'll take the statement a step farther.
What about people who mess with a young persons mind? I'm talking about youth:
-up to 14 years old who are still dealing with the effects of puberty
-and then even older youth, because some of them are still dealing with the newfound sexual aspects of life.
It can be confusing and there's no set age for true self-awareness.
Kids and youth are "easy targets" as both prey and politically charged indoctrination (or recruitment?).
And don't think our country's enemies don't work on this to sew discord, too. They are very active in this regard. And the internet has opened new doors for them.

[Old Pilot]

Would anything in this discussion help us to find the home of Brown? How is this connected to the chase/hunt?

You should ask this of the "Original Poster" in this thread. I think every thread should be about the Forrest Fenn treasure hunt . . . People do have their agendas, and may see this forum as a convenient platform, regardless of everything else.

[Old Pilot]

Hey Walker,
Or else it could that “the signs of the times” are best exemplified by the concept of "Behavioral Sink" as tackled by John B. Calhoun as applied to today's world. IMO concepts within the "Population Sink" underlies concepts within the "Behavioral Sink" and apply to what we are witnessing today in society.

These are profound times we are living in. Not that long ago, there were no automobiles, airplanes or McDonalds or shopping malls. There were 40 million buffalo on the Great Plains. Could it be that the changes we are witnessing to the planet, to our societies, and to our collective could be considered as being "normal" within those systems? You know the expression, "the new normal" can be applied to systems to describe new states of equilibrium and homeostasis as it applies to the changes that are inherent in most systems. Heck, that is normal IMO. "The times they are a changing," applies to most variables within observable systems. That includes what you are describing IMO. What it requires on our part, IMO....is that we simply understand that those things that are observed are "normal" within natural systems.

Rather than reacting with the banality of a knee-jerk reaction that brings anger and resentment, we need to move towards the understanding of just what is going on, and IMO.....within each of us, we need to honor the grieving process. If a person is in denial (the way things should be), or a person is in anger (the way things used to be), then how does that person move to acceptance and moving on, (the way things are), within the grieving process?

IMO, "the way things are," and "the way things used to be," is where a person can get stuck in the denial part of the grieving process and keep them in "the way things should be." What is wrong with introspection and seeking answers, all the while embracing the reality of the grieving process?

IMO, anger, and resentment are part of the grieving process, and that is normal too. Good luck in your process mate….keep on keeping on with it. Cheers.

Accepting undesirable change meekly is for sheeple. Be one, if that's all you're capable of. But please don't expect everything to be fun and easy -- just because you accept the situation as reality. I see reality and don't like everything I see. So I try to change certain things.